concern for gay marriage/adoption in... France?

France is an intolerant country. Not really surprising. Hundreds of thousands protested against gay rights there recently.
 
JonesBones said:
Nope. I've read previous articles on the recent debate there.
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Yeah, the data doesn't support France as prejudice against homosexuality. This is a rather different situation than their concerns for Islam. The people leading this thing aren't one of the fifty conservative Catholics left in France; they're Gay men, lol.
 
French citizens are very deserving to have same-sex marriage and adoption right enacted. Come June same-sex marriage will be legal, so there's one step.

2015 it will be United Kingdom :)
 
m0353 said:
French citizens are very deserving to have same-sex marriage and adoption right enacted. Come June same-sex marriage will be legal, so there's one step.

2015 it will be United Kingdom :)
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Having children isn't a right. Of course it's not right for gay couples to adopt. Let's be real.
 
I find it funny that people are protesting against love these days
 
Vincent86 said:
I find it funny that people are protesting against love these days
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This isn't the issue.

fuck people, do you even bother reading the articles posted or do you just drop an opinion?
 
Joe McPherson said:
Having children isn't a right. Of course it's not right for gay couples to adopt. Let's be real.
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Ok, why is it not ok?
It's been legal for same sex couples to adopt in Canada since 1999, and there hasn't been any negative effect brought on by...other than by bad parenting (but that's not related to same sex couples)

Marriage and Family Review:
"the sexual orientation of parents is not an effective or important predictor of successful childhood development"

American Psychologist:
"Despite considerable variation in the quality of their samples, research design, measurement methods, and data analysis techniques, the findings to date have been remarkably consistent. Empirical studies comparing children raised by sexual minority parents with those raised by otherwise comparable heterosexual parents have not found reliable disparities in mental health or social adjustment. Differences have not been found in parenting ability between lesbian mothers and heterosexual mothers. Studies examining gay fathers are fewer in number but do not show that gay men are any less fit or able as parents than heterosexual men."

They also found that the children of same-sex marriage are no more likelier to be homosexual themselves then children of man-woman marriage.

25-year Study by U of California and U of Amsterdam:
"According to their mothers' reports, the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts in Achenbach's normative sample of American youth."

It's been established since the 1970's and 1980's that children with families with structure are more likely to succeed, regardless the parent's gender
 
m0353 said:
American Psychologist:
"Despite considerable variation in the quality of their samples, research design, measurement methods, and data analysis techniques, the findings to date have been remarkably consistent. Empirical studies comparing children raised by sexual minority parents with those raised by otherwise comparable heterosexual parents have not found reliable disparities in mental health or social adjustment. Differences have not been found in parenting ability between lesbian mothers and heterosexual mothers. Studies examining gay fathers are fewer in number but do not show that gay men are any less fit or able as parents than heterosexual men."
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saying that lesbian mothers are as good as straight mothers and gay fathers are as good as straight fathers is missing the whole point.
Is a gay man as good of a mother as a straight woman? fuck no
Is a lesbian woman as good of a father as a straight man? the hell she is.
Parents are supposed to set an example for their kids, how can they do that for a young boy who is brought up by two women?


m0353 said:
They also found that the children of same-sex marriage are no more likelier to be homosexual themselves then children of man-woman marriage.
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sounds like total bullshit to me. maybe if all straight couples were totally pro-gay that might be true, but its far from the case.
 
Well... it's kind of presumptuous and hateful to assume that a child would be happier in a government subsidized orphanage than a loving household with two parents.

Whatever.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
saying that lesbian mothers are as good as straight mothers and gay fathers are as good as straight fathers is missing the whole point.
Is a gay man as good of a mother as a straight woman? fuck no
Is a lesbian woman as good of a father as a straight man? the hell she is.
Parents are supposed to set an example for their kids, how can they do that for a young boy who is brought up by two women?




sounds like total bullshit to me. maybe if all straight couples were totally pro-gay that might be true, but its far from the case.
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Because the man doesn't assume the role of mother? Children need to be taught values, morals, and ethics, and there are not too many studies that support that same-sex marriage can't do that.

Parents are suppose to be an example for their children, but no where does it state that it has to be a man or woman?

University studies and human psychological tests (some of which have lasted 25 years) are bullshit? I think your letting your opinion get in the way...

U of Massachusetts study:
"Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. "That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement."

And while research indicates that kids of gay parents show few differences in achievement, mental health, social functioning and other measures, these kids may have the advantage of open-mindedness, tolerance and role models for equitable relationships, according to some research. Not only that, but gays and lesbians are likely to provide homes for difficult-to-place children in the foster system, studies show."

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Jon Cornish has two same sex parents. He wound up being a pro-football player, best rusher in the CFL last year, donated a huge amount of his salary to charity...and has a girlfriend
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I had a friend that recently graduated business school. He was raised by two men, he became a hockey player (played in AJHL), recently married his girlfriend and graduated in micro-economics on the Dean's list.
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American Psychological Study:
"Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents”
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And it's not something that is part of a "liberal" agenda (that I've been told by a few users here), even Mitt Romney is ok with state legislation to allow same-sex adoption
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Penn State report:
"If growing up with gay and lesbian parents were catastrophic for children, even studies based on small convenience samples would have shown this by now [...] If differences exist between children with gay/lesbian and heterosexual parents, they are likely to be small or moderate in magnitude - perhaps comparable to those revealed in the research literature on children and divorce."
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Then you have Mark Regnerus' study which advocated that same-sex adoption caused lower level of income, higher smoking rates, lower self-esteem and education. But then it was revealed that some of the homosexual people used in the study were in sham marriages with someone of the opposite sex. The study was not objective and torn apart by major psychological associations.
 
m0353 said:
Because the man doesn't assume the role of mother? Children need to be taught values, morals, and ethics, and there are not too many studies that support that same-sex marriage can't do that.

Parents are suppose to be an example for their children, but no where does it state that it has to be a man or woman?

University studies and human psychological tests (some of which have lasted 25 years) are bullshit? I think your letting your opinion get in the way...

U of Massachusetts study:
"Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. "That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement."

And while research indicates that kids of gay parents show few differences in achievement, mental health, social functioning and other measures, these kids may have the advantage of open-mindedness, tolerance and role models for equitable relationships, according to some research. Not only that, but gays and lesbians are likely to provide homes for difficult-to-place children in the foster system, studies show."

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Jon Cornish has two same sex parents. He wound up being a pro-football player, best rusher in the CFL last year, donated a huge amount of his salary to charity...and has a girlfriend
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I had a friend that recently graduated business school. He was raised by two men, he became a hockey player (played in AJHL), recently married his girlfriend and graduated in micro-economics on the Dean's list.
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American Psychological Study:
"Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents
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