Compilation of Fighters' Cage Weight

[EGarrett]

And I disputed that when? You claimed that Dern had a 21% cut (your math is wrong, btw),

No, I took her cage weight and divided it by the weight-class. You just didn't read it right because you're thinking of weight cuts and I'm thinking of size advantage in the cage, which is the reason we discuss this.

There's no shame in admitting you got some numbers wrong, but moving the goal post over it is just sad.

139.5 - 115 = 24.5
24.5 / 115 = 21.304% over the weight class.
.21304 * 205 = 43.67
205 + 43.67 = 248.67 pounds. Which gives you an idea of the equivalent amount over the weight class that she was.

So everything I said was perfect. You just thought I was doing a less relevant calculation and overestimated your own intelligence.

EDIT: Oh, and just for the cherry on top, I reviewed your own numbers in the OP and they're dumb and you're calculating wrong. Should've kept your mouth shut.

 

[acannxr]

So everything I said was perfect. You just thought I was doing an less relevant calculation and overestimated your own intelligence.

You compared her to the weight cuts in this thread:

"Megaton" Dern blows them all away

Not only is it "less relevant", it's completely irrelevant, because this thread has at no point discussed how much over any one fighter was above their weight class and has solely limited the scope of discussion to how much weight was cut (in addition to what their cage weight is).

Keep moving that goal post .

 

[EGarrett]

You compared her to the weight cuts in this thread:


Not only is it "less relevant", it's completely irrelevant, because this thread has at no point discussed how much over any one fighter was above their weight class and has solely limited the scope of discussion to how much weight was cut.

Keep moving that goal post .

Like I just said, I reviewed your numbers and they're dumb and you calculated wrong.

That's where your problem comes from. A fighter's cage weight is not their CUT. The cut happens BEFORE you weigh-in, not after. You rehydrate after, which may or may not be the same amount of weight. To claim that they cut that much, you'd have to know how much they weighed before the cut began. Stupid.

The actual error I made was in thinking you were smart enough to realize that and were calculating weight over the weight class, not calculating the difference as a percentage of their own body weight, which makes no sense unless you're trying to claim it was a cut, which it wasn't.

 

[Kael Rills]

Pre-USADA Weidman was heavier, I just don't have a more up to date weight for Silva beyond UFC 200 (but that was after a major organ surgery, so I didn't cite it).


Fighters don't cut water weight 5 days out.

If Lee is on record then feel free to cite the source and I'll look into it.

And generalizing this entire thread off two fighters is hilariously flawed logic.

But they cut carbs and sodium and they start to lose weight already. You don't even know that. Khabib was looking real bad even 1 week before the fight.

As for Kevin Lee's cage weight, here's the timestamped video of the post-fight press conference of the Ferguson - Lee fight. The guy's 185 in the cage and you're listing him as 175. The numbers you come with are way off.

 

[acannxr]

Like I just said, I reviewed your numbers and they're dumb and you calculated wrong.

That's where your problem comes from. A fighter's cage weight is not their CUT. The cut happens BEFORE you weigh-in, not after. You rehydrate after, which may or may not be the same amount of weight. To claim that they cut that much, you'd have to know how much they weighed before the cut began. Stupid.

The same "dumb" numbers you used to calculate how much over someone was in relation to their weight class?

It's obvious you didn't check the citations <Lmaoo>.

There's a difference in the math between how much over someone is of a particular weight and how much weight a person cut relative to their bodyweight. For example, if I use your (irrelevant) math, Dodson has a higher number (which demonstrates how cursory you were in this thread).

Resorting to personal insults just demonstrates a lack of faith in your argument.

The numbers you come with are way off.

I update as new/more accurate information comes out, as is explicitly stated in the original post.

 

[EGarrett]

The same "dumb" numbers you used to calculate how much over someone was in relation to their weight class?

It's obvious you didn't check the citations <Lmaoo>.

I actually assumed that the cage weight you claimed was correct. Isn't that crazy? But given how dumb your interpretation of a "cut" turned out to be, I guess I should've not even given you credit for that. <Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

There's a difference in the math between how much over someone is of a particular weight and how much weight a person cut relative to their bodyweight. For example, if I use your (irrelevant) math, Dodson has a higher number (which demonstrates how cursory you were in this thread).

Irrelevant? You claimed that the percentage you gave represented how much they CUT. But in actuality, in many cases, a fighter will not eat and do other things PRE-CUT, then eat heavily AFTERWARD to regain their energy for the fight. This will increase their CAGE weight, but that's not weight they actually cut!

So the only reasonable way to use a percentage is to represent how much over their weight class their cage weight made them, NOT to do it as a percentage of their cage weight to show how much they cut.

You're starting to realize that you made a mistake, aren't you?

Resorting to personal insults just demonstrates a lack of faith in your argument.

No, it's letting you know that you made a mistake and driving the point home so you'll watch your attitude when speaking to people who understand things better than you do in the future.

I update as new/more accurate information comes out, as is explicitly stated in the original post.

Who gives a fuck what you do with your thread when you need help even understanding the numbers you're using?

 

[dns2344]

Thanks TS for the research.
Regardless of whether or not we can know exact cage weight in some cases, it does give us some interesting perspective.
Ignore the losers who don’t know how to communicate with other people and see every thread as an opportunity to argue and vent their miserable lives.

 

[acannxr]

Thanks TS for the research.
Regardless of whether or not we can know exact cage weight in some cases, it does give us some interesting perspective.
Ignore the losers who don’t know how to communicate with other people and see every thread as an opportunity to argue and vent their miserable lives.

Hopefully more athletic commissions will follow California and release the post-weigh in weights (many of the fighters in the original post are derived from CSAC).

While Sherdog is a nice place to kill time and talk MMA, I'm hardly emotionally invested enough for anyone's argument to affect my day, but thanks for the support anyway .

 

[LEWIS540]

A fighter saying "I weighed xxx pounds on fight night" is not necessarily a reliable source.

 

[acannxr]

As for Kevin Lee's cage weight, here's the timestamped video of the post-fight press conference of the Ferguson - Lee fight. The guy's 185 in the cage and you're listing him as 175. The numbers you come with are way off.

If you listen to the rest of it, Lee mentions that 185 lbs was too heavy, and my current source has him listing 175-176 lbs in the fight after Ferguson.

Additionally, when CSAC released the post hydration weights, they were all within 1-2 lbs of what I had previously listed in this thread, which is good enough confirmation for me.

 

[acannxr]

A fighter saying "I weighed xxx pounds on fight night" is not necessarily a reliable source.

Until all the athletic commissions release the post hydration weights (like CSAC) it's the best and frankly only source we have, though CSAC's numbers have confirmed a good portion of the already listed weights in this thread, so they're not too far off (1-2 lbs).

 

[LEWIS540]

Until all the athletic commissions release the post hydration weights (like CSAC) it's the best and frankly only source we have, though CSAC's numbers have confirmed a good portion of the already listed weights in this thread, so they're not too far off (1-2 lbs).

Exactly.

It's all hearsay and should not be taken as fact. I'm sure most are relatively accurate.....equally I'm sure some flat out lie.

Also it almost certainly varies fight to fight.

 

[acannxr]

Exactly.

It's all hearsay and should not be taken as fact. I'm sure most are relatively accurate.....equally I'm sure some flat out lie.

Also it almost certainly varies fight to fight.

I'm certainly not taking them all as fact, but it's easy to see the trend in that most fighters are of similar weights (15 lbs above their respective weight classes).

Personally I don't know why the UFC doesn't include day-of-weights listed in the tale of the tape; boxing used to do it all the time:

(And there are people out there who think boxers don't cut weight like mma fighters <Lmaoo>)

 

[LEWIS540]

I'm certainly not taking them all as fact, but it's easy to see the trend in that most fighters are of similar weights (15 lbs above their respective weight classes).

Personally I don't know why the UFC doesn't include day-of-weights listed in the tale of the tape; boxing used to do it all the time:

Would make them look stupid when everyone is 20 pounds heavier than their weigh in weight, I'd imagine. Would further highlight how farcical the whole thing is.

 

[MechMA]

If you want to contribute, include your source for a fighters' cage weight and I'll update the thread accordingly.

Top Five Weight Cuts
17.97% | John Dodson (Flyweight)
15.30% | Drew Dober (Lightweight)
15.00% | Darren Till (Welterweight)
14.70% | Cris Cyborg (Women's Featherweight)
14.56% | Brett Johns (Bantamweight)

Heavyweight
Brock Lesnar: 275 lbs

Light Heavyweight
Daniel Cormier: 236 lbs
Jon Jones: 216 lbs
Alexander Gustafsson: 220 lbs
Phil Davis: 217 lbs
Ovince Saint Preux: 220 lbs
Nikita Krylov: 218 lbs

Middleweight
Anderson Silva: 202 lbs (or less)
Chris Weidman: 192-193 lbs
Luke Rockhold: 200-201 lbs
Uriah Hall: 200 lbs
Thiago Santos: 209.5 lbs
Kevin Holland: 193 lbs
Kelvin Gastelum: 187 lbs
Derek Brunson: 205 lbs
Antonio Carlos Jr: 194 lbs
Dan Henderson: 196.6 lbs

Welterweight
Georges St-Pierre: 188 lbs
Tyron Woodley: 190 lbs
Stephen Thompson: 182 lbs
Colby Covington: 180 lbs
Rafael dos Anjos: 180 lbs
Darren Till: 200 lbs
Donald Cerrone: 174 lbs
Sage Northcutt: 181.5 lbs
Kamaru Usman: 185 lbs
Neil Magny: 182 lbs
Mike Perry: 177 lbs

Lightweight
Khabib Nurmagomedov: 166 lbs
Conor McGregor: 171 lbs
Eddie Alvarez: 171 lbs
Kevin Lee: 175 lbs
Gleison Tibau: 181 lbs
Drew Dober: 183 lbs
Dustin Poirier: 170 lbs
Justin Gaethje: 165 lbs

Featherweight
Jose Aldo: 164 lbs
Brian Ortega: 164 lbs
Chad Mendes: 160 lbs
Frankie Edgar: 155 lbs
Mirsad Bektić: 164 lbs
Renato Moicano: 165.5 lbs
Cub Swanson: 160.5 lbs
Sheymon Moraes: 164 lbs
Matt Sayles: 165 lbs

Bantamweight
Dominick Cruz: 150 lbs
TJ Dillashaw: 149.5 lbs
Cody Garbrandt: 142 lbs
Renan Barão: 157 lbs
Pedro Munhoz: 151 lbs
Brett Johns: 158 lbs
Ricky Simon: 152 lbs
Montel Jackson: 152 lbs
Ricardo Ramos: 153.5 lbs
Kyung Ho Kang: 154 lbs
Marlon Vera: 150 lbs
Wuliji Buren: 149.5 lbs

Flyweight
Demetrious Johnson: 142 lbs
Henry Cejudo: 141 lbs
Alex Perez: 146.5 lbs
Jose Torres: 143 lbs
(Formerly) John Dodson: 152.4 lbs

Women's Featherweight
Cris Cyborg: 170 lbs
Holly Holm: 147 lbs

Women's Bantamweight
Ronda Rousey: 140 lbs
Cat Zingano: 151 lbs
Miesha Tate: 147 lbs

Women's Flyweight
Valentina Shevchenko: 135 lbs

Women's Strawweight
Rose Namajunas: 119 lbs
Joanna Jędrzejczyk: 122.4 lbs
Cláudia Gadelha: 126 lbs
Polyana Viana: 129.5 lbs
JJ Aldrich: 130.5 lbs
Weili Zhang: 127 lbs
Danielle Taylor: 124.5 lbs
Mackenzie Dern: 139.5 lbs (missed weight)
Tatiana Suarez: 127 lbs
Jéssica Andrade: 132 lbs

Khabib ways WAY more than 166 in cage tf

And how did mcgregor eat up to 170 and still weighed in 168 then?

I put very little credibility to most of these numbers.

I 100% guarantee khabib weighed 180ish during the fight. PETTIS was 175 before his fight and he isnt a huge weight cutter for 155, otherwise he would never had made 145

 

[DRMZ]

Khabib @ 166lbs haha. Is it that what he usually weighs in at for 155lb bouts?

Wondering if Kevin Lee at 176lb is right, that's huge.

 

[Kael Rills]

If you listen to the rest of it, Lee mentions that 185 lbs was too heavy, and my current source has him listing 175-176 lbs in the fight after Ferguson.

Additionally, when CSAC released the post hydration weights, they were all within 1-2 lbs of what I had previously listed in this thread, which is good enough confirmation for me.

Yes, he said he was getting too heavy for the weight class and he was considering moving up to WW but he stayed in LW. Why do you still insist he's 175? The guy himself says he's 185 minutes after the fight. Are you stupid?

 

[acannxr]

Yes, he said he was getting too heavy for the weight class and he was considering moving up to WW but he stayed in LW. Why do you still insist he's 175? The guy himself says he's 185 minutes after the fight. Are you stupid?

In the same breath of saying that he was 185 lbs, he also said that it was too heavy for the weight class, and in the following fight said he was 176 lbs. Did it cross your mind that he may have dieted more in the following fight given his admittance that he came in too heavy against Ferguson?

Resorting to personal insults is my cue for ending a discussion, so have a good day .

 

[acannxr]

And how did mcgregor eat up to 170 and still weighed in 168 then?

Lockhart, who is McGregor's nutritionist, explicitly said that McGregor was 171 lbs in the cage when he fought Nurmagomedov. There's nothing else to discuss.

Is it that what he usually weighs in at for 155lb bouts?

He was 170 lbs against Barboza, and likely heavier in previous bouts, but after getting hospitalized I'm not surprised to see him coming in lighter.

 

[Kael Rills]

In the same breath of saying that he was 185 lbs, he also said that it was too heavy for the weight class, and in the following fight said he was 176 lbs. Did it cross your mind that he may have dieted more in the following fight given his admittance that he came in too heavy against Ferguson?

Resorting to personal insults is my cue for ending a discussion, so have a good day .

You are really stupid. Your source lists the start of the weight cut, not the cage weight and it's for the Ferguson fight. That's the fight Lee claimed to be 185 in the cage. Fighters come to the cage heavier compared to the weight which they start to cut water at. If Lee starts his water cut at 176, he may very well be 185 in the cage which he personally confirms.

This guy don't even know the basics. Most of those numbers are probably way off.