Media Comparison between Francis Ngannou and Stipe Miocic two fights

[Takes Two To Tango]

He could also lose to them. If you can lose to Lewis...

He lost to Lewis in a non fight really. A fight he was psychologically not even in it. Ngannou is a different animal since than, he proved it with Stipe. He'll do the same if he fights Lewis again.

 

[Repsac]

He lost to Lewis in a non fight really. A fight he was psychologically not even in it. Ngannou is a different animal since than, he proved it with Stipe. He'll do the same if he fights Lewis again.

We'll see

 

[spinup]

Would he consistently win until he becomes champ though? No, And anyone with equal striking ability and comparable power would make the fight to a 50:50 contest. He has too many bad habits, isn't well rounded enough to dominate a wide array of opponents consistently.
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He has the longest active winstreak in the division, has only lost 2 fights in the UFC, hasn't lost since 2018 and his current win streak has the widest array of different styles you could find.

Inconsistent?

BTW: The 3 fighters with the most TD landed in UFC HW history are Blaydes, Cain and Stipe. All 3 beaten by Ngannou in his last 5 fights.

 

[TheBulge]

Prime Stipe is still a better and greater fighter.

Even though Ngannou did improve, the biggest difference was Stipe's decline(both age & size) not Ngannou's improvement.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Prime Stipe is still a better and greater fighter.

Even though Ngannou did improve, the biggest difference was Stipe's decline(both age & size) not Ngannou's improvement.

Honestly I can't agree with that, Stipe was a bit older and slower but the big difference was Ngannou couldnt cope with the pressure in the first match, he got VERY wild with his striking, gave up some very simple takedowns and gassed badly.

Ngannou being cooler, not rushing his offence and having some counters to just trying to hustle simple single legs was clearly the biggest difference for me.

 

[TheBulge]

Honestly I can't agree with that, Stipe was a bit older and slower but the big difference was Ngannou couldnt cope with the pressure in the first match, he got VERY wild with his striking, gave up some very simple takedowns and gassed badly.

Ngannou being cooler, not rushing his offence and having some counters to just trying to hustle simple single legs was clearly the biggest difference for me.

He's never beating the best version of Stipe. In the first fight Stipe had the size, youth and fight IQ(He went for the worst wrestling strategy in fight 2 considering his smaller/weaker size, and his head was a stationary target) to take Ngannou down almost at will.

He had some of the best head movement we've ever seen from a HW in the first fight and not even this improved version of Ngannou would beat that Stipe. Ngannou's always gonna walk into a counter punch or a TD against that Stipe.

It's a misconception that Ngannou was just swinging wildly for the hell of it. It had a lot more to do with Stipe's incredible ability to bait him in with his upperbody movement. A strategy that takes a massive amount of skills and courage to employ.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

He's never beating the best version of Stipe. In the first fight Stipe had the size, youth and fight IQ(He went for the worst wrestling strategy in fight 2 considering his smaller/weaker size, and his head was a stationary target) to take Ngannou down almost at will.

He had some of the best head movement we've ever seen from a HW in the first fight and not even this improved version of Ngannou would beat that Stipe. Ngannou's always gonna walk into a counter punch or a TD against that Stipe.

It's a misconception that Ngannou was just swinging wildly for the hell of it. It had a lot more to do with Stipe's incredible ability to bait him in with his upperbody movement. A strategy that takes a massive amount of skills and courage to employ.

Again can't really say I agree, I think Ngannou performed really badly in the first match, probably the result of never really having been tested that much previously and being able to get away with powering out of the few bad positions he'd been in previously.

Can't say I agree Stipe's head movement was anything close to the best I'v seen at HW, it was good at some points when Ngannou was throwing massively telegraphed punches in a wild fashion but even in the first fight he looked quite hittable at points and mostly focused on taking Francis down.

I'd be inclined to pick todays Ngannou over the Stipe of the first fight personally, I wouldnt be super confident of that as Francis cardio is still a bit of an unknown and his defence is far from waterfight but my guess is the fight ends much the same way as it did second time around.

 

[Aleksandrfighter]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

ever1 stipe beat in his run for title was over 35 even 40 Ngannou KO blades twice and rozenstrike young fighters under 35. stipe didn’t beat ONE young fighter in his run if u do ur research Francis did
Also most HWs in UFC age very well look at couture speed is not as important at HW power and fight IQ is which goes last and all veterans still have so ur point make no sense

also Francis isn’t in his prime at all he JUST figured out how to wrestle imagine how better he’s gonna get from here on out ur a damn fool

stipe didn’t just get KOd by Ngannou he got totally outclassed and out wrestled as well lol I don’t ever wanna see a rematch stipe couldn’t even finish Ngannou when he was fat out of shape with no training camp to prepare for stipe he was just coming off the Overeem win in December probably partying then he gets the call for title shot next month and he didn’t turn it down but he should have had at least 3 month preparation if he did stipe would have got KOd that first fight too

stipe not on Francis level at all never was

 

[TheBulge]

Again can't really say I agree, I think Ngannou performed really badly in the first match, probably the result of never really having been tested that much previously and being able to get away with powering out of the few bad positions he'd been in previously.

Can't say I agree Stipe's head movement was anything close to the best I'v seen at HW, it was good at some points when Ngannou was throwing massively telegraphed punches in a wild fashion but even in the first fight he looked quite hittable at points and mostly focused on taking Francis down.

I'd be inclined to pick todays Ngannou over the Stipe of the first fight personally, I wouldnt be super confident of that as Francis cardio is still a bit of an unknown and his defence is far from waterfight but my guess is the fight ends much the same way as it did second time around.

You have no problem pointing out Ngannou was worse in the first fight(Atleast I agree he has improved since then) but you can't seem to accept that Stipe has declined a lot since the first fight.

He is now much smaller and weaker. He has lost a lot of speed and athleticsm, that's why he had no head/upperbody movement at all in the rematch even though that was his key to victory in the 1st fight. His fight IQ has also declined. Instead of timing a TD while both were moving in order to use FN's massive size against him and benefit from momentum, he tried to use a TD where a lot of raw power was needed clinching at one spot close to the fence. The only thing that didn't seem to decline was his durability as he ate some hard shots and survived. Stipe's just old now.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

You have no problem pointing out Ngannou was worse in the first fight(Atleast I agree he has improved since then) but you can't seem to accept that Stipe has declined a lot since the first fight.

He is now much smaller and weaker. He has lost a lot of speed and athleticsm, that's why he had no head/upperbody movement at all in the rematch even though that was his key to victory in the 1st fight. His fight IQ has also declined. Instead of timing a TD while both were moving in order to use FN's massive size against him and benefit from momentum, he tried to use a TD where a lot of raw power was needed clinching at one spot close to the fence. The only thing that didn't seem to decline was his durability as he ate some hard shots and survived. Stipe's just old now.

You also got to give credit for Ngannou in improving. All of sudden Stipe looks old? Did you say that when he beat DC in their trilogy fight? Everyone thought he looked great there. The fight before Ngannou rematch. So come on, he all of sudden became old over night. Stipe said even before the fight against Ngannou that he's in the best shape of his life that's why he was down to 230lbs. He was training so intensely he couldn't stop but lose some weight. I think Ngannou beat virtually the same Stipe 3 years ago or even better when you consider his experiences since then.

What happens if Stipe wins the trilogy fight with Ngannou? What are you going to say now? He drank from the fountain of youth and became young again.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

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[BushLeague666]

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Without Dana and the UFC he'd still be in France perfecting his faulty french striking instead of him getting fed "Acai Berries" in the Performance Institute, buddy.
There's no way a fighter like this would've made it in the PRIDE era, where mental toughness and heart was even more at the forefront of the game than now.

He's getting favorable treatment. That's a fact, sorry. His best win is Blaydes and that is a huge and amazing win, not taking anything away, but can he replicate that? I just feel he's inconsistent because mentally weak. I might be wrong and he will dominate unlike we've ever seen. But I say as soon as he faces adversity again (like in the first Stipe fight) it's gonna be the same story.

 

[TheBulge]

You also got to give credit for Ngannou in improving.

I did do that in the very first sentence of the post you're quoting. Don't talk out of turn especially if you're gonna start out this dumb.

All of sudden Stipe looks old? Did you say that when he beat DC in their trilogy fight? Everyone thought he looked great there. The fight before Ngannou rematch. So come on, he all of sudden became old over night.

This is either a blatant lie or you've hit your head against something causing you memory loss. There were tons of threads that said Stipe looked bad in both the 2nd and 3rd DC fight. In fact that they said the same about DC. They said they looked like two old men fighting and it's true.

Just watch and compare the fights, enough with this he-said she-said stuff. Watch Stipe's upperbody movement in the first Ngannou fight. Even then, he was already past his physical prime because you know why? It's very exhausting to move that well as a 246lb HW which is why Stipe himself was getting tired quickly.

In the second Ngannou fight he had ZERO movement. He no longer has that kind of head and foot movement. In fact he already lost it in the DC trilogy, he was getting hammered by DC's hooks all night in the 2nd fight. Like his feet were stuck in cement.

Stipe said even before the fight against Ngannou that he's in the best shape of his life that's why he was down to 230lbs. He was training so intensely he couldn't stop but lose some weight.

Every fighter says he's in the best shape of his life. Stipe lost weight for DC 3 with a purpose. He made the mistake of liking it so much that he kept that shape against Ngannou.

What does it tell you that Stipe is now on a bulk, focusing on regaining the mass and strength that he had in the first fight? It says everything.

What happens if Stipe wins the trilogy fight with Ngannou? What are you going to say now? He drank from the fountain of youth and became young again.

You're worried aren't you?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

I did do that in the very first sentence of the post you're quoting. Don't talk out of turn especially if you're gonna start out this dumb.

That's good you give credit to him. He certainly did improve we can agree on that.

This is either a blatant lie or you've hit your head against something causing you memory loss. There were tons of threads that said Stipe looked bad in both the 2nd and 3rd DC fight. In fact that they said the same about DC. They said they looked like two old men fighting and it's true.

Just watch and compare the fights, enough with this he-said she-said stuff. Watch Stipe's upperbody movement in the first Ngannou fight. Even then, he was already past his physical prime because you know why? It's very exhausting to move that well as a 246lb HW which is why Stipe himself was getting tired quickly.

In the second Ngannou fight he had ZERO movement. He no longer has that kind of head and foot movement. In fact he already lost it in the DC trilogy, he was getting hammered by DC's hooks all night in the 2nd fight. Like his feet were stuck in cement.

I don't know about that. I thought both DC and Stipe fought hard and they had both their moments in their last two fights against each other. Just because one is losing the fight doesn't mean they look terrible. It's just the guy is just losing and other guy is being the better fighter at that moment.

Every fighter says he's in the best shape of his life. Stipe lost weight for DC 3 with a purpose. He made the mistake of liking it so much that he kept that shape against Ngannou.

What does it tell you that Stipe is now on a bulk, focusing on regaining the mass and strength that he had in the first fight? It says everything.

Well you don't know how a fight will turn out, Stipe was banking on speed and quickness that's why he didn't mind losing the weight he did going into the 2nd Ngannou fight. And obviously now that he lost. It's easy an hindsight oh that was the problem he lost too much weight. I don't know about. Even he gains to 265lbs, I still think Ngannou will beat him. He's just the superior fighter now.

You're worried aren't you?

Why would I be worried? If Stipe wins fair and square respects to Stipe for coming back and making his adjustments to beat a monster like Ngannou. I have nothing against that. Ngannou maybe one of my favorite fighters, but anyone can lose. It's a game of inches and it only takes one punch to change the tide.

 

[Kafirov]

35 year old Stipe mauls Ngannou every day of the week

No version of Stipe beats current Francis

 

[Phisher]

Edit: I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

Ngannou has multiple submission wins, including one at the UFC level over a guy who is a BJJ black belt.

 

[Lethal Fiord]

Miocic 3 years older, rough trilogy with Cormier, underweight.

Ngannou - 3 years of easy fights and careful management from the UFC.

Prime for prime we all know who the better fighter is.

 

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Miocic 3 years older, rough trilogy with Cormier, underweight.

Ngannou - 3 years of easy fights and careful management from the UFC.

Prime for prime we all know who the better fighter is.

Well Francis wasn't in his prime when he faced Stipe the first time. You realize that right?

But as soon as Francis hits his prime and wrecks ya boy Stipe, Stipe is suddenly out of his prime.

And no, a fighters prime is not just an age thing.

 

[Final Say]

Well Francis wasn't in his prime when he faced Stipe the first time. You realize that right?

But as soon as Francis hits his prime and wrecks ya boy Stipe, Stipe is suddenly out of his prime.

And no, a fighters prime is not just an age thing.

Lol this is why people look so stupid having all these prime discussions

 

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Lol this is why people look so stupid having all these prime discussions

Stipe looked great vs DC. Didn't look bad vs Francis in terms of a decline. Only looked bad because Francis is just that good.

Stipe still the clear #2 guy in the div.