Media Comparison between Francis Ngannou and Stipe Miocic two fights

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Who will stop the ever evolving Francis?

 

[BushLeague666]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

Nice troll job.

 

[Iroh]

Who will stop the ever evolving Francis?

Lol I'm not seeing the jon pic in your OP, but now I'm quoting you it's showing up. And I was gonna say "Not Jon."

 

[The UFC Brander Collector]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

Weakest ever but happens to be the champ?

 

[C0NCH3TO]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

Yes, Stipe is older and washed up but that doesn’t take away the fact that Francis tdd evolved. Idk what’s so unbelievable about that. Fighters can improve.



Go train with these folks for 6 months and your wresslin will improve as well, guaranteed.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

35 year old Stipe mauls Ngannou every day of the week

 

[BushLeague666]

Weakest ever but happens to be the champ?

Can you read? I said he's champ of the weakest UFC HW division. Not that Ngannou is the weakest HW champ.

Nice troll job.

Nice Arguments. What does Francis have that PRIDE fighters didn't? Decent, one-dimensional striking offense with horrible defense? His status as Dana White's loverboy?
Edit: I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

 

[The UFC Brander Collector]

Can you read? I said he's champ of the weakest UFC HW division. Not that Ngannou is the weakest HW champ.
Well he beat a record beating champ


Nice Arguments. What does Francis have that PRIDE fighters didn't? Decent, one-dimensional striking offense with horrible defense? His status as Dana White's loverboy?
Edit: I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Can you read? I said he's champ of the weakest HW division. Not that Ngannou is the weakest HW champ.



Nice Arguments. What does Francis have that PRIDE fighters didn't? Decent, one-dimensional striking offense with horrible defense? His status as Dana White's loverboy?
Edit: I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

He'd do fine in Pride. And I'm a huge Pride lover. Huge Fedor guy as well. Ngannou would beat guys like Heath Herring, Semmy Schilt, Gary Goodridge, Coleman to just name a few.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

lol, who do you think the 10th best hw in pride was in a random year was? Francis would be a threat to knock out anyone in Pride, not just a lucky punch either.

 

[13Seconds]

Can you read? I said he's champ of the weakest UFC HW division. Not that Ngannou is the weakest HW champ.



Nice Arguments. What does Francis have that PRIDE fighters didn't? Decent, one-dimensional striking offense with horrible defense? His status as Dana White's loverboy?
Edit: I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

Hey, PRIDE was awesome but it hasn’t existed since 2007 or something. Let it go.

I do think Francis would've been among the best there too. As great as Fedor was, he was still hittable. As great as Crocop was he was a small HW. Francis could've walked his ass down and punish him. Big Nog? Francis is a terrible matchup for him. As great as his chin was, he's still a human. Can't get dropped by Francis and expect to survive.

Not saying this version of Francis would win all these fights easily hands down (except for Big Nog due to clash of styles) but he'd still be a tough out for any top PRIDE fighter.

And then there's the "limited" drug testing. Francis on EPO? Shiiet son.

 

[Captain Herb]

I'm not denying his TDD got better, it sure did. He's still one dimensional and has very very bad striking defense habits aswell (turning his back, for example).

Defensive wrestling is not a dimension in MMA?

 

[BushLeague666]

He'd do fine in Pride. And I'm a huge Pride lover. Huge Fedor guy as well. Ngannou would beat guys like Heath Herring, Semmy Schilt, Gary Goodridge, Coleman to just name a few.

lol, who do you think the 10th best hw in pride was in a random year was? Francis would be a threat to knock out anyone in Pride, not just a lucky punch either.

Would he consistently win until he becomes champ though? No, And anyone with equal striking ability and comparable power would make the fight to a 50:50 contest. He has too many bad habits, isn't well rounded enough to dominate a wide array of opponents consistently.
I could be wrong, but seeing his mental collapses in the Stipe and Lewis fights would make me think he will have a hard time dealing with the mental pressure of being champ - or become arrogant aswell (just like before the first Stipe fight) and make mistakes.

You guys are acting like I'm saying he's a bum that won't beat anyone in Pride. That's not true. The fact is he could beat anyone, but could also lose to anyone exactly because of his mental issues, bad habits and inconsistency. I'm saying he won't and will never be consistent and lacks the well-roundedness and mentality to become and stay champ. And that will be evident soon. Or I'll eat my crow.

He's the Bisping of HW Champs. He's not a bad fighter, a great one actually, but he came around at the exact right moment to take the belt and won't stay up there long.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Would he consistently win until he becomes champ though? No, And anyone with equal striking ability and comparable power would make the fight to a 50:50 contest. He has too many bad habits, isn't well rounded enough to dominate a wide array of opponents consistently.
I could be wrong, but seeing his mental collapses in the Stipe and Lewis fights would make me think he will have a hard time dealing with the mental pressure of being champ - or become arrogant aswell (just like before the first Stipe fight) and make mistakes.

You guys are acting like I'm saying he's a bum that won't beat anyone in Pride. I'm saying he won't and will never be consistent and lacks the well-roundedness and mentality to become and stay champ. And that will be evident soon. Or I'll eat my crow.

He's already consistent, hence why he is champion.

What fighters have comparable power to him? One of the reasons why he is on top is because he is more powerful than nearly everyone. If he fought in PRIDE that wouldn't change. Mark Hunt is the closest thing to a heavy hitter in PRIDE and he was even more green than Francis is now.

 

[UWPguy]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

There is certainly something to be said about Stipe aging and the wear and tear he has accumulated but you aren't giving Francis enough credit. Even in their first fight, Francis survived against Stipe's takedowns and ground and pound which has finished lesser fighters. Francis undoubtedly improved his TDD since the first fight and I assume he likely improved his ground game as well considering he tossed Stipe around a bit after the failed takedown attempt and started pounding him on the ground.

Francis did beat a bunch of older heavyweights but they were still the best heavyweights available. JDS and Cain were former champs, Arlovski is way over the hill but is a former champ and can still box, everyone thought Blaydes would be champ, Overeem is a former champ, Rozenstruik was undefeated.

Of course the Lewis fight was a stinker but that clearly was Francis having a mental block after suffering a previous loss to Stipe. I'm quite confident their upcoming rematch will not be the staring contest that the first fight was.

Francis may not be a good grappler but he hits like a truck, has a strong chin, his standup is technically ok (not great but not terrible) and is super aggressive. In the world of heavyweight MMA, that's enough to be the champ and beat all relevant competition at present time.

He'd definitely be top 10 in Pride. I can't see anyone other than Fedor, Cro Cop or Big Nog having a reasonable chance at beating him and I'd still favor Francis over them other than maybe peak Fedor.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Would he consistently win until he becomes champ though? No, And anyone with equal striking ability and comparable power would make the fight to a 50:50 contest. He has too many bad habits, isn't well rounded enough to dominate a wide array of opponents consistently.
I could be wrong, but seeing his mental collapses in the Stipe and Lewis fights would make me think he will have a hard time dealing with the mental pressure of being champ - or become arrogant aswell (just like before the first Stipe fight) and make mistakes.

You guys are acting like I'm saying he's a bum that won't beat anyone in Pride. I'm saying he won't and will never be consistent and lacks the well-roundedness and mentality to become and stay champ. And that will be evident soon. Or I'll eat my crow.

He's the Bisping of HW Champs. He's not a bad fighter, a great one actually, but he came around at the exact right moment to take the belt and won't stay up there long.

Everyone has weaknesses even the great Fedor. He doesn't need to be as well rounded as a guy like Fedor to be champ. His power alone can do that and his new found TDD is pretty good will make it hard for him to be taken down. To say Ngannou wouldn't be champ back than who knows really to be honest. But you said he wouldn't even be in the top 10 which is clearly wrong.

Fedor was the king in Pride and that would be a great fight him Ngannou. I'd say it's 50/50 matchup and this is coming from someone who loves Fedor. I also think Ngannou is more mentally ready than ever to be now the champ and hopefully stay as champ for a good chunk of time.

Who do you think is going to beat Francis? Lewis, Jones? I give it 70/30 that Francis beats those guys.

 

[Fahcough]

What a hypejob. I can't believe it.
The guy didn't evolve, Stipe devolved aka he aged.
Francis is one-dimensional and fights in the weakest HW division ever. Knocks out a bunch of 35+ year old men while in his physical prime and with Dana's support, getting the best training for free in the UFC PI, etc.
Wouldn't be Top 10 in PRIDE.

He has more sub finishes than Stipe. He's 2 dimensional now

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Nice troll job.

Look at their username and gender, definite troll, just ignore them.

 

[Repsac]

He'd do fine in Pride. And I'm a huge Pride lover. Huge Fedor guy as well. Ngannou would beat guys like Heath Herring, Semmy Schilt, Gary Goodridge, Coleman to just name a few.

He could also lose to them. If you can lose to Lewis...