***Comparing UFC pay to Golfers***

[Truk]

It's incredibly misinformed to think golf is just one movement.

I didn't mean that literally. MMA has more than 10 movements as well. You used the word obvious on me earlier.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

That's like saying you rolled and sparred for a few days in a BJJ class, so MMA is easy. Anyone is capable of doing the bare essentials of either sport. Becoming elite is a different story.

The first time I rolled I got my ass handed to me. I've rolled tens of thousands of times now and still get my ass handed to me lol.

I've been golfing for the past 8 years... I've gotten pretty good. Obviously no where remotely close to semi pro level, but still have made some huge strides in my game with practice. In the 11 plus years I've been training in jits/wrestling/boxing, I can safely say the beginning stages of that were infinitely more difficult then golf. There was no point where I said I'm quitting golfing due to it being difficult. I nearly quit combat training 5-6 times in the start cause it was gruelling shit. It still is.

Majority of people I know golf, one friend even got to semi pro level. I have one mutual friend who does combat sports. No one I know even gives it a chance when I say come train. There are FAR more people who golf or play other sports then train for combat sports. Of course the way up will be more difficult. The training however is not even close imo.

 

[Oblivian]

The first time I rolled I got my ass handed to me. I've rolled tens of thousands of times now and still get my ass handed to me lol.

I've been golfing for the past 8 years... I've gotten pretty good. Obviously no where remotely close to semi pro level, but still have made some huge strides in my game with practice. In the 11 plus years I've been training in jits/wrestling/boxing, I can safely say the beginning stages of that were infinitely more difficult then golf. There was no point where I said I'm quitting golfing due to it being difficult. I nearly quit combat training 5-6 times in the start cause it was gruelling shit. It still is.

Majority of people I know golf, one friend even got to semi pro level. I have one mutual friend who does combat sports. No one I know even gives it a chance when I say come train. There are FAR more people who golf or play other sports then train for combat sports. Of course the way up will be more difficult. The training however is not even close imo.

I know a ton of people who never made it past the shank or hard slice of hitting a golf ball so they just gave up. I'd say golf has a pretty damn high rate for people who give up.

 

[kflo]

this thread is pretty useless. there's no comparison of revenue, expenses, competition, ownership, investor objectives, pay drivers, etc.

if people want to say ufc should pay more fine. but comparisons like this are like saying actors or singers or any other profession make more.

 

[Lee_]

On what basis do you assume fighters should be making similar money to golfers?

UFC fighters make less, and the sport generates less revenue, so they should make less. I am not sure what percentage golfers get of the revenue, but probably more than fighters, and one could reasonably paint that as a problem. Golfers get no CTE.

 

[King of Fists]

Golf has tones of mainstream blue chip corporate sponsors > which in turn tip the pay scale of golf athletes. UFC has ..... Venum..... Hmmm wut? I mean who knows venum? and what's their revenue copared to FedEx, Coke, etc (major sponsors)

This is the right answer, LPGA salaries are paid by corporate sponsorship who basically use it as advertising, UFC salaries are paid by UFC who is trying to directly generate a profit from it. Not at all the same business model.

 

[HeatherFraser]

omg

 

[HereticBD]

The first time I rolled I got my ass handed to me. I've rolled tens of thousands of times now and still get my ass handed to me lol.

And you've probably golfed a million times, and while you've made personal improvements, you don't exactly have your PGA Tour card, do ya?

I've been golfing for the past 8 years... I've gotten pretty good. Obviously no where remotely close to semi pro level, but still have made some huge strides in my game with practice. In the 11 plus years I've been training in jits/wrestling/boxing, I can safely say the beginning stages of that were infinitely more difficult then golf. There was no point where I said I'm quitting golfing due to it being difficult. I nearly quit combat training 5-6 times in the start cause it was gruelling shit. It still is.

Majority of people I know golf, one friend even got to semi pro level. I have one mutual friend who does combat sports. No one I know even gives it a chance when I say come train. There are FAR more people who golf or play other sports then train for combat sports. Of course the way up will be more difficult. The training however is not even close imo.

The argument isn't what is more grueling or physically demanding, though. I don't think anyone would argue that Golf is more physically demanding than MMA. It's about talent, and having what it takes to get to become great in each individual sport. Like you said, the size of the talent pool alone, makes Golf the harder sport to reach elite levels, since you're competing with so many more people, and Golf is just naturally difficult to maintain consistency since the room for error on any given swing is so ridiculously small.

Now, if you just meant "harder", as in which sport could break a person down faster due to physical strain, it's MMA. Not everyone is built to hand out and receive physical pain, and even if you are, it's a lot easier to simply hit a golf ball, then it is to fight, since there are no physical consequences for fucking up a Golf shot, and you don't learn by getting punched, kicked and stretched repeatedly. In that way, MMA is definitely harder.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

And you've probably golfed a million times, and while you've made personal improvements, you don't exactly have your PGA Tour card, do ya?



The argument isn't what is more grueling or physically demanding, though. I don't think anyone would argue that Golf is more physically demanding than MMA. It's about talent, and having what it takes to get to become great in each individual sport. Like you said, the size of the talent pool alone, makes Golf the harder sport to reach elite levels, since you're competing with so many more people, and Golf is just naturally difficult to maintain consistency since the room for error on any given swing is so ridiculously small.

Now, if you just meant "harder", as in which sport could break a person down faster due to physical strain, it's MMA. Not everyone is built to hand out and receive physical pain, and even if you are, it's a lot easier to simply hit a golf ball, then it is to fight, since there are no physical consequences for fucking up a Golf shot, and you don't learn by getting punched, kicked and stretched repeatedly. In that way, MMA is definitely harder.

Pretty much. Talent pool is far deeper in golf, it's not even close. The amount of people who golf on average as opposed to combat train is staggering. MMA pretty much is still also in its infancy stages so its got a long ways to go. Give it another 20 years and I'm sure you'll see more participation and activity.

 

[kflo]

And you've probably golfed a million times, and while you've made personal improvements, you don't exactly have your PGA Tour card, do ya?



The argument isn't what is more grueling or physically demanding, though. I don't think anyone would argue that Golf is more physically demanding than MMA. It's about talent, and having what it takes to get to become great in each individual sport. Like you said, the size of the talent pool alone, makes Golf the harder sport to reach elite levels, since you're competing with so many more people, and Golf is just naturally difficult to maintain consistency since the room for error on any given swing is so ridiculously small.

Now, if you just meant "harder", as in which sport could break a person down faster due to physical strain, it's MMA. Not everyone is built to hand out and receive physical pain, and even if you are, it's a lot easier to simply hit a golf ball, then it is to fight, since there are no physical consequences for fucking up a Golf shot, and you don't learn by getting punched, kicked and stretched repeatedly. In that way, MMA is definitely harder.

it's not only about talent pool either. talent pool ultimately isn't a big driver either. it's about the money in the sport, the competition for the talent, the investor proposition, and other external factors. lpga benefits from it's association with the pga as well as sponsor pressure for increased equality.

 

[Lucas Motta]

That article is speaking about USGA run events, specifically the US Open. It doesn't say at all what you claim it says.

"The bottom line: The USGA loses about $10.4 million on the Women’s Open.
“Truthfully, they spend more on the Women’s Open than I thought they did,” said former No. 1 Stacy Lewis.
Every championship the USGA runs outside of the U.S. Open loses money. The USGA spends $4.7 million on the U.S. Senior Women’s Open. The other women’s championships cost around $6.3 million."
What other female golf tournaments or even sports (the WNBA would not be able to exist had it not been subsidize from the NBA) bring in actual profits and are not dependent of subsidize?

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

If that's the case, then below is THE sport (teamwork?check>combat?check):

Only thing better would be the Roman gladiatorial games, where they had teams with weapons.

Though I suppose army war games would be even better, though I've no idea how you could fit that into a stadium (and keep the spectator casualty rate low).

 

[reviv4l]

Only thing better would be the Roman gladiatorial games, where they had teams with weapons.

Though I suppose army war games would be even better, though I've no idea how you could fit that into a stadium (and keep the spectator casualty rate low).

Hmm, you're onto something here mate, as medieval MMA is a thing (in Russia, same as that hooligan thing from the previous vid, they just do their things):


But yeah- not gonna happen on a large & serious scale. And quite frankly I'm not sure if I'd be watching- there would be so much action that you couldn't focus on just one guy.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Yeah, yeah, got ya. Golf so difficult, mma so pleb.

Both are very difficult at the highest level. You need the right genetics to have even a chance to become champ in either, and then you need good work ethic, coaching etc on top of it. Anyone on Sherdog who thinks either is easy should give them a try -- if they're right they can make an easy $25 million a year doing one or the other.

Right now golf is harder to become champ in, because it has both a longer history and is much more popular in terms of participants. If you have the wrong genetics wiring your nervous system you have no chances at all, because you'll be competing against guys just as dedicated as you are but with the optimal genetics. MMA currently is a young enough sport that you don't have to top out on genetics to become champ. However, if MMA grows in popularity (especially among participants) then it will eventually become harder, because it does have a wider range of necessary attributes. Not sure it'll ever grow that popular among participants though -- I suspect there'll always be more people playing golf seriously.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Hmm, you're onto something here mate, as medieval MMA is a thing (in Russia, same as that hooligan thing from the previous vid, they just do their things):


But yeah- not gonna happen on a large & serious scale. And quite frankly I'm not sure if I'd be watching- there would be so much action that you couldn't focus on just one guy.

Okay, that's wild. Never heard of that before. I don't mind not being able to focus on one guy (a lot of team sports I like are like that), but I can't imagine any league surviving the hoards of lawyers that would descend upon it.

 

[wlu.29]

Perhaps the fighters should go try thefe hand at golfing.

Sorry not gonna feel bad for people making 6 figures. even someone like Tim Elliot who isn't really a known fighter is making enough to live very comfortable on.

Never expected anyone to feel sorry

Presenting facts and observations

 

[wlu.29]

Just a horrible example.

Tell me how much money the PGA tour makes and how much goes to the golfers vs how much money the UFC makes and how much goes to the fighters.

Golfers make a lot more money in general b/c it's harder to be a pro golfer and they bring a lot more money into their company/TV deal than UFC guys do.

It's supply and demand vs how much money you bring in.

You think #50 lpga golfer brings more eyeballs than #10 €ufc fighter?

 

[TheNinja]

You think #50 lpga golfer brings more eyeballs than #10 €ufc fighter?

Yes, I do actually. But it's a bit tricky b/c the #50 LPGA golfer is at the same event as the #1 LPGA golfer. The #10 UFC fighter in LW for example is not always on a Conor card.

"Average 3.4 million unique viewers watch each LPGA broadcast across TV, digital streaming and OOH"

 

[wlu.29]

A PGA golfer has to play in a minimum 15 events a year, so if Tim elliot fought 15 times he would make 1.3 million a year.

An LPGA player has the opportunity, a ufc fighter will NEVER have the opportunity to fight 15 times a year

Literally impossible

 

[HuskySamoan]

Khabib, Jones, Fedor, GSP, Silva all have nothing on Shooter McGavin

Spit out a little of my sandwich.