Comic Book Discussion Thread V.15

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Discuss all things comic books in here, cept for movies and fantasy match ups. Movie threads are made mostly by Dragon, and here's the link for the versus thread:

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[Dragonlordxxxxx]

THE ULTIMATES Book 1 and 2 by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch

- Marvel's modern reimagining of the Avengers' origin. It's gritty, realistic, funny, and thoroughly entertaining. Noticed how the Hulk comes to town or a city and destroys it but with no human casualty? F*ck that shit. This Hulk version kills 800 people in Manhattan in just a few minutes. Book 1 volume 2 is the best when the team defend against an alien invasion. Warning: Stay away from Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum, it's total crap.

Will back up this claim, the Ultimates is/was awesome.

Freakin fantastic. Ultimates takes the heroes you loved as kids, and makes it possible to love them as an adults. Then, it makes you love marvel's premier super team more as an adult than you ever could have as a kid.

Finally got around to reading Ultimates 3. Now I know what all the fuss was about. Only good thing in that train-wreck is a silhouette of Scarlet Witch's mother, Magda.

Hippie Thor, republican Captain America and playboy drunk Tony (the movie version is closer to ultimate than how he usually is/was in regular MU) is what makes the ultimates great.

I enjoyed all the characters and their dynamics in the first two volumes myself. Pretty epic.

Ultimates vol 1 and 2 are must reads. It's an awesome book.

I just started reading The Ultimates vol. 1 like this thread recommends. The Ultimates vol. 1 and vol. 2 was the shit! Man, why can't Mark Millar write stories like this anymore? I mean, I liked Kick-Ass and all, but this was fucking awesome! I liked Ultimates vol. 1 story as a whole, but I like the final battle in Ultimates vol. 2 better. Felt bad for Banner in both books. Made for an awesome redemption story later. Hulk was pretty fucking hilarious. I loved the Hulk.

So, I've been on a total Ultimate-binge recently. Can't believe I haven't read anything of it before. Goddamn awesome stuff. So, regarding The Ultimates and Ultimate Avengers. I fucking love Captain America! He's the bees tits.

Ultimates vol 1 and 2 were both excellent

Very quality series. Easily one of the better runs I have read. You bastards really spoiled me with these series. I thought 2 was even better then 1. Captain America is a goddamn badass. Hawkeye is a goddamn badass. Funny, gritty, all around enjoyable series.

THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS by Frank Miller

- The book that revolutionized the comic book industry. Writer extraordinaire Frank Miller told the pen-ultimate Batman story during 1986 where a 55-year old Bruce Wayne comes out of his decade-retirement to become Gotham City's champion once again.

BATMAN: YEAR ONE by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli

After the success of The Dark Knight Returns, Frank Miller goes on a 180 and tells the origin of Batman and James Gordon. The story is so fantastic that many have accepted as a canon. This might be a Batman book but James Gordon steals the show with his tale of battling police corruption as well as his own immoral dilemma.

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli

- The best Daredevil story (in some cases, best story period) ever told. It's about Daredevil fall after the Kingpin discovers his true identity and how DD rebuilds himself and his beloved city. Before Frank Miller changed the comic book landscape with The Dark Knight Returns, he first re-invented Daredevil. From being a joke, made him into Marvel's most popular character.

ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN by Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz

- A trippy psychedelic action adventure starring Marvel's popular anti-heroine. It starts out very confusing but stick with it and it'll reward you with the most wildest politically incorrect action-packed book during that time.

KINGDOM COME by Mark Waid and Alex Ross

- Set some twenty years into the future of the then-current DC Universe, it deals with a growing conflict between "traditional" superheroes, such as Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Justice League, and a growing population of largely amoral and dangerously irresponsible new vigilantes. Between these two groups is Batman and his assembled team, who attempt to contain the escalating disaster, foil the machinations of Lex Luthor, and prevent a world-ending superhuman war.

 

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OLD MAN LOGAN by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven

- Set over fifty years in the future in which the world's supervillains band together to finally kill all the superheroes. An older Wolverine, who is now a pacifist and content in raising his family on a farm, is forced to accompany a blind Hawkeye to pay off the Hulk hillbilly clan for the land's rent. The duo travel across a post-apocalyptic America to deliver a secret package that might give the good guys a fighting chance to reclaim the country. Also the best road trip comic book ever made.

Uh, yeah DL. You weren't kidding. Old Man Logan was fuckin' AWESOME. Tons of fun. I haven't liked McNiven's art in some other stuff but it was perfect for the tone of this series.

OML was awesome.

Millar's 'Old Man Logan' on the otherhand was the tits.

Old Man Logan is awesome.

Old Man Logan is very good.

WATCHMEN by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons

- Hailed as the greatest graphic novel of all time, Watchmen has had a staying power in the realm of comics for quite some time. It is thought of as not just a comic, but literature and has been used in college courses and been the source of discussions the world over. This comic officially helped end the age of comic innocence and ushered in a new thought of how comic books could be told and presented to the world.

FABLES by Bill Willingham and various artists

- Fables is an excellent series in the tradition of Sandman, one that rewards careful attention and loyalty. The series deals with various characters from fairy tales and folklore

 

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UNCANNY X-MEN #94 to #247 by Chris Claremont and various artists

- When a young writer named Chris Claremont took over X-Men in 1976, few fans could predict the incredible impact he would have on the Marvel Comics series. With a flair for realistic dialogue, heartfelt storylines and hard-hitting action, Claremont's writing breathed life into the characters. In collaboration some of the best artists in the business, Claremont crafted a run still heralded as a definitive era on the book. X-Men became more than just another super-hero title: this diverse cast of mutants fighting against prejudice and intolerance has resonated in the hearts of millions of devoted readers.

ASTONISHING X-MEN #1 to #24 by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday

- Winner of multiple prestigious Eisner Awards, Joss Whedon and John Cassaday's Astonishing X-Men was a smash hit with critics and fans alike from the very first issue - winning praise from dozens of top media outlets including Entertainment Weekly, Publishers Weekly, TV Guide, and New York Magazine, as well as racking up nearly every major comic-book industry award. Whedon and Cassaday assembled a tight cast - Cyclops, the Beast, Wolverine, and Emma Frost, joined by returning fan-favorite Kitty Pryde - and set forth a groundbreaking pace, from the opening pages of a Sentinel attack to the unexpected return of a beloved X-Man. Then, building on early momentum, they ratcheted up the danger and drama with a shocking second year, creating a must-read book that can truly be called "astonishing!"

Wow! Astonishing X-Men sure had a drop off after Whedon.

Very good. I enjoyed it a lot.

Yeah, Astonishing X-Men was great! I managed to read the trades out of order and still loved it.

A must read.

Forgot to say, read Whedon's X-Men. Enjoyed it even though I generally don't enjoy X-Universe stories. Very nice.

THE NEW MUTANTS #1 to #75 by Chris Claremont and various artists

- The New Mutants was an attempt to recreate Uncanny's success by introducing an all-new team of ethnically diverse young heroes and it succeeded brilliantly and on several levels.

THE MIGHTY THOR #337 to #382 by Walt Simonson

- Considered by many to be the greatest run on Thor ever, Walt Simonson's classic tales of the God of Thunder are collected here-completely remastered from the original artwork and newly colored by Steve Oliffe! And there are too many timeless tales to count: The Casket of Ancient Winters! The death of Odin! The origins of Asgard! The sacrifice of the Executioner! Thor as a frog! The Mutant Massacre!

JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 to #50 by Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis and various artists

- The best Justice League version ever! Writers Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis destined to shake up not only the Justice League, but the nature of comic books in general. In an era when comics were going for "grim-and-gritty", they decided to opt for jokes and slapstick. Giffen and DeMatteis didn't have access to Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash. Those characters were undergoing editorial renovation. Their solution? Populate the League with second-rank heroes, those guys nobody seemed to really love, like Black Canary, Blue Beetle, Mister Miracle and (later) Captain Atom, Power Girl and others. Giffen and DeMatteis not only rescued these characters from their fates as perpetual walk-on players...they actually endowed each of them with recognizable personalities. They took a bunch of backup heroes and breathed life into them.

MARVELS by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross

In 1994, Marvels was the breakthrough work for both of its creators: a worm's-eye view of the spectacle of Marvel comics history

 

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X-FACTOR Vol.3 by Peter David

In the fallout from House of M and following the surprise film-noir hit Madrox, a new mutant team is forged! X-Factor is an investigative mutant agency that includes Madrox, the Multiple Man; Guido, the Strong Guy; Wolfsbane, the shape-shifter; Siryn, the chorus girl; Rictor, the living earthquake; and Generation X's Monet, the pompous witch. Drawn together in the heart of District X, this rag-tag band of heroes has a lot of answers to find, and fast!

X-FORCE Vol.3 by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost

There are lines that the X-Men have sworn never to cross. But after the shocking events of Messiah CompleX, Cyclops realizes that some enemies need to be dealt with permanently - and the X-Men can never know about it! Enter Wolverine, Warpath, X-23, and Wolfsbane - X-Force!

UNCANNY X-FORCE by Rick Rememder and Jerome Opena

Writer Rick Remender grabs the reins from Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost, previous X-Force scribes, to relaunch the series from square one and hits the ground running. It easily fits the bill for both longtime fans looking for a good action yarn and new readers looking to hop onboard the X-Men bandwagon without needing Google handy to help decipher what's happening and why. Jerome Ope

 

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HAWKEYE by Matt Fraction and David Aja

AVENGERS ARENA

 

[scrubido]

Uber #19 was meh. Filler issue.

 

[Ocean Chief]

Soon...

I know I'm the only who loves this, let alone reading it, but I'm still psyched since I started buying trades and bought Round One.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I'm on book 9 of THE BOYS collected editions. Awesome series.

 

[Fork]

Soon...

I know I'm the only who loves this, let alone reading it, but I'm still psyched since I started buying trades and bought Round One.

COPRA does look awesome, and i had forgotten that the TPB came out in september.

 

[A Bird]

I got Ennis fatigue reading through the boys. For a while the irreverent humour and different perspective on superheroes and their impact on the world around them was pretty appealing but eventually I felt like he got himself too worked up or something.

It just became this frenzy of bashing everything that mainstream superhero comics do without much character or plot progression.

 

[Ocean Chief]

COPRA does look awesome, and i had forgotten that the TPB came out in september.

Get that shit before it sells out. And Copra is indeed awesome. It reads like Frank Miller in his prime writing and drawing Suicide Squad while also taking the occasional hit of acid.

 

[Sigh GunRanger]

 

[scrubido]

I got Ennis fatigue reading through the boys. For a while the irreverent humour and different perspective on superheroes and their impact on the world around them was pretty appealing but eventually I felt like he got himself too worked up or something.

It just became this frenzy of bashing everything that mainstream superhero comics do without much character or plot progression.

Pretty much after the second arc its like, okay dude we get it. You hate superheroes.

 

[That209]

In other words, Batman is unbeatable with prep time.

Although it wasn't Batman himself who killed the JLA, these were his plans on how he would stop each member, Batman's plans were stolen and put into play by Ra's al Ghul.

Some of you may have read this comic already, but I thought it was pretty worthy of a thread for those who are into this sort of thing.

If anything is missing, please add to it.

Explained by my brother who wishes he was Batman:

Tower of Babel deals with Batman's perceived betrayal to the superhuman community by keeping records concerning the strengths and weaknesses of his allies in the JLA, including plans to neutralise his allies in a fight. His files are stolen by Ra's al Ghul, who uses them to defeat the League through a coordinated attack to prevent them from interfering with his latest scheme.

Most of the League is temporarily defeated early in the story:
Martian Manhunter is covered with nanites that convert the outer layer of his skin into magnesium, causing him to burst into fire (his greatest weakness) upon exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting until he can shed enough skin cells to function normally. Batman didn't anticipate this strategy because he never expected Martian Manhunter to survive so long.

Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin. Without water, he would die in a matter of hours. Martian Manhunter uses his telepathy to generate an illusion of him in a desert when hydrating him in a tank full of water, although he is forced to more directly help Aquaman overcome the effects of the toxin when he regains consciousness in the tank before the serum wears off.

Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's al Ghul' henchmen. Afterward, Flash reassembles him, allowing Plastic Man to recover.

Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring from a post-hypnotic suggestion introduced while he was asleep and the ring placed on him at night. As an artist, Kyle is unable to function without his vision to guide the ring's power, but he is able to overcome the post-hypnotic suggestion after his ring is temporarily removed and the methods behind the attack are explained to him.

Thanks to a nanite injected into her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle against an opponent who she cannot defeat and is her equal in every way. Her refusal to surrender under any circumstance would eventually cause her heart to fail. The nanite is removed by Plastic Man after he recovers.

A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at light speed before it is removed by Superman's heat vision. Although only exposed to the weapon for 22 minutes, Wally's relativistic speed makes the experience feel like months.

Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to Red Kryptonite, an artificial creation of Batman's made by exposing a green kryptonite sample to radiation developed in the event of him simply wanting to stop Superman for a while rather than actually killing him (For which he would use his original sample of kryptonite). As Superman is powered by solar energy, his skin's transparency causes a sensory overload by his internal organs' direct exposure to sunlight without his skin as a proper solar filter to the extent that he can hear conversations on Earth while he himself is located on the moon.

And some people might like this. Voiced by Kevin Conroy, who IMO, is the voice of Batman.

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[That209]

Oh, never knew there was an actual discussion thread for all of this. Derp.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

MM's weakness to fire is psychological. It doesn't hurt him physically, he just has a phobia.

 

[That209]

MM's weakness to fire is psychological. It doesn't hurt him physically, he just has a phobia.

Sometimes beating someone psychologically is more effective than physically.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Sometimes beating someone psychologically is more effective than physically.

True.





True.

 

[That209]

True.





True.

Which is basically what he did to Aquaman as well, fucked with his mind, 'cause Batman can't really beat him hand-to-hand. He may be able to actually fight better, but Aquaman is just superhuman, so Bats can never truly beat Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman in hand-to-hand even if he actually can fight better than them, he's just not strong enough n stuff, so he outsmarts them which is the real source of his power.

It's funny how people hate on Aquaman sometimes when he's actually a bad ass. Family Guy makes him look like an idiot, it's funny but Aquaman is one of the most powerful superheroes ever.