• Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.

Cody vs TJ analysis! The intelligent discussion thread. Awesome match up between 2 legit P4P greats

PROlogic

Banned
Banned
Joined
Nov 5, 2017
Messages
3,009
Reaction score
0
You may not know it, but Cruz is an important component here. Cody/Cruz/TJ is one of MMA's greatest love traingles lol. You cant talk about these 2 greats fighting this week, without talking about Cruz. We first need to understand Cruz's style in order to gain a better picture of everything

Let us begin (sorry, no gifs for this breakdown thread. Don't have time to go through all the footage again and make gifs. Don't have the software right now either. Im going to try something new and color code to make the reading of large chunks more digestible)


Please stick by and read it all. Promise you will enjoy it: )


Cruz is always shifting and moving his feet to either set an opponent up, blind side them from an angle, or to memorize them with footwork and ambush them when they are sleeping etc

A great tactic of Cruz's, is that he loves when opponents correctly start cutting off the cage against him. As soon as they square up to laterally step and cut off any escape routes, Cruz will lead as soon as they go square, and catch them head on.

Also, where other counter strikers like to set opponents up for strikes, Cruz typically likes to set opponents up for his takedowns...

- where he will level change under their response or return fire

- or where he will guide an opponent into stepping into a bad position or stepping off balance, so that he can easily take them down


TJ is kind of similar. However he's more aggressive/offensive, more of a creative combination striker, and has better hands (or at least more pop on his punches)

Cruz was generally one step ahead of TJ when they fought. Cruz was the originator of that style adapted for MMA, so he generally knew everything TJ was trying to do.


Now Cody outclassed Cruz via simple and effective boxing footwork to shut down the unconventional movement of Cruz

Cody would take subtle steps to shut down any ambush opportunities off of Cruz's movement

Cody would subtly pivot to take away the possiblities of angles being cut on him, which not only kept Cruz off set, but forced Cruz into bad positions himself

Cody would simply take all the right small steps (his boxing base)

Cody vs Cruz was like Barrera vs. Naseem Hamed, in how simple effective small steps/pivots beats unconventional movement/excessive movement etc

And Cody's tremendous TDD further made it more difficult for Cruz to implement his will etc


We saw Cody doing the same against TJ, and having success against TJ for the same reasons.

However TJ is more aggressive and more willing to exchange. Cody eventually got caught

1. TJ's infamous shift into his left high kick off his punching combinations completely caught Cody off guard. That was all on Cody

2. After Cody was dropped by TJ's unpredictable shifting left high kick, Cruz got emotional and then unknowingly stepped himself into a bad position, trying to "get his rival back"

He ended up exchanging hooks while giving up the outside angle to TJ.

So of course TJ from the better position at that moment got there first/landed better. TJ had the outside angle from the drop. Cody through multiple factors stepped himself into a bad position and engaged to trade hooks while giving up the outside angle. Big no no




This rematch is very interesting

1. If Cody can keep his composure he can beat TJ the way he beat Cruz

2. TJ is much more offensively orientated then Cruz, and much more aggressive and more willing to exchange. Cody has to take OUT all of the emotions of their rivalry, be patient, be calm, and remain on his p's and q's

3. Cody has to be prepared for TJ's unconventional and unpredictable punching kicking combinations and akward kicks that come up from weird angles and suprise


4. IF Cody can slow down the fight, and dictate when exchanges occur through his footwork, Cody can outbox TJ/certainly counter TJ rushing in for knockdowns ala vs Cruz

Mainly, PATIENCE WILL BE absolutely KEY FOR CODY

For TJ, CHAOS AND FORCING MISTAKES in that chaos is his key



Awesome fight between 2 actual elite skillsmen in their primes

People were making a big deal out of Jones vs DC. Jones and DC are medium sized fish in a small pond. Both are only truly stand out in wrestling/clinching

WHERE as Cody vs TJ are the REAL DEAL in terms of skill and IQ

Even for their first fight I was saying how Cody vs TJ is the actual Elite level fight between 2 elite skillsmen (unlike Jones vs DC)

And their first fight didn't disappoint

Was an awesome fight

CODY vs TJ = a fight between 2 actual worthy p4p skillsmen

Very much looking forward to their rematch.

No matter the result we will witness an absolute pinnacle of skill and IQ in MMA

The lower weight classes is WHERE It's really at with truly elite talent, depth and fierce competition.

On another note that is why Conor is the true GOAT of MMA. Conor became champ of the 2 deepest most stacked greatest divisions in all of MMA. It's all about the lower weight classes
 
Last edited:
TL;DR: This fight is happening anyway this Saturday so don't bother reading.
 
You can’t call for an intelligent discussion then use “lol” in your second sentence bro
 
No way am I calling Cody a pound 4 pound great just yet.Thats just crazy and he might just win saturday.
 
On another note that is why Conor is the true GOAT of MMA
<{cruzshake}>

People were making a big deal out of Jones vs DC. Jones and DC are medium size fish in a small pond. Both are only truly stand out in wrestling/clinching

WHERE as Cody vs TJ are the REAL DEAL in terms of skill and IQ

Even for their first fight I was saying how Cody vs TJ is the actual Elite level fight between 2 elite skillsmen (unlike Jones vs DC)
Lol

DC is a better, more accomplished fighter than both Cody and TJ
 
TL;DR: This fight is happening anyway this Saturday so don't bother reading.
tl;dr

GSP - GOAT

You can’t call for an intelligent discussion then use “lol” in your second sentence bro

d27.png


Then don't click on the thread if you aren't interested in actual intelligent discussion

There are plenty of other threads for you

Mods can we please remove those posts. They add nothing and only serve to derail

Also, the lol was clearly after a joke. You should keep reading. Or is reading to hard for you to handle ?
 
Last edited:
This is gonna be wild . Love both these fighters .

No point in picking a winner because this genuinely can go either way .
 
This is either someone who's totally out of touch or trolling the shit out of all of you
 
giphy.gif


While I’m here, and because I’ve seen a few posters argue the other way, Cody has better wrestling than TJ. We probably won’t see it, but he’s lightning fast and was a D1 wrestling prospect. TJ outwresled Lineker badly and as a result has extremely overrated wrestling on these forums.
 
<{cruzshake}>


Lol

DC is a better, more accomplished fighter than both Cody and TJ
More "accomplished" is irrelevant

P4P is all about SKILL

Even then, DC has average boxing at best, no kicking ability, and is only truly stand out from the clinch

Cody and TJ are certainly far more skilled and well rounded

I also wouldn't put too much emphasis on the "resumes" of DC and Jones either. LHW and HW are the 2 weakest divisions in all of MMA.

Accomplishments at lower weight classes hold far more significance and relevance. Hence my comment about Conor, which btw Sonnen himself said.

The weakest divisions in all of MMA will always be 125 and LHW/HW...because the majority of men are not that small, and the majority of men are not that big etc
 
More "accomplished" is irrelevant

P4P means SKILL

Even then, DC has average boxing at best, no kicking ability, and is only truly stand out from the clinch

Cody and TJ are certainly far more skilled ans well rounded

I also wouldn't put too much emphasis on the "resumes" of DC and Jones either. LHW and HW are the 2 weakest divisions in all of MMA.

Accomplishments at lower weight classes hold far more significance. Hence my comment about Conor, which btw Sonnen himself said.

The weakest divisions in all of MMA are 125 and LHW/HW...because the majority men are not that small, and the majority of men are not that big etc
So what?

The worst HW on the roster would beat the shit out of any 135/145/155er so it's irrelevant. Heavyweight is the best division because everyone else cuts weight to avoid them. P4P is a mythical ranking that doesn't mean anything, it's a total joke.

DC is a better grappler than both Cody and TJ, and certainly Conor by a mile

The difference between Conor's grappling and DC's is bigger than the gap between their striking, so therefore DC is a more skilled fighter. Plus he would beat the shit out of Conor with one arm tied around his back so he wins any discussion.
 
This is all in terms of pure skill

Pound for pound has nothing to do with resume or legacy
I appreciate the time you put in to your o.p but as far as your response to me WITH ALL DUE RESPECT..........
...........huh ? What the ?
Just wut?
 
This is either someone who's totally out of touch or trolling the shit out of all of you
Explain?

There's actual analysis and breakdowns in my OP

Try reading it before talking?

I guess reading is too much to ask?

The only one out of touch is trolls like you who think sherdog is all about trolling and messing around.

There's intelligent discussion to be had, like in my thread. If that's not for you, then don't click and post

It's funny isn't it? People coming into a thread just to say, didn't read. Guess what, no one gives a shit if you read.it or not either. Just don't click in the thread. Just dont post in it.

If intelligent discussion isn't for you, just go to the hundred other trolling shit threads on sherdog for you

I know you will apprecaite my breakdown in the OP my brother @That209 You are actually an educated poster
 
Last edited:
You may not know it, but Cruz is an important component here. Cody/Cruz/TJ is one of MMA's greatest love traingles lol. You cant talk about these 2 greats fighting this week, without talking about Cruz. We first need to understand Cruz's style in order to gain a better picture of everything

Let us begin (sorry, no gifs for this breakdown thread. Don't have time to go through all the footage again and make gifs. Don't have the software right now either. Im going to try something new and color code to make the reading of large chunks more digestible)


Please stick by and read it all. Promise you will enjoy it: )


Cruz is always shifting and moving his feet to either set an opponent up, blind side them from an angle, or to memorize them with footwork and ambush them when they are sleeping etc

A great tactic of Cruz's, is that he loves when opponents correctly start cutting off the cage against him. As soon as they square up to laterally step and cut off any escape routes, Cruz will lead as soon as they go square, and catch them head on.

Also, where other counter strikers like to set opponents up for strikes, Cruz typically likes to set opponents up for his takedowns...

- where he will level change under their response or return fire

- or where he will guide an opponent into stepping into a bad position or stepping off balance, so that he can easily take them down


TJ is kind of similar. However he's more aggressive and has better hands.

Cruz was generally one step ahead of TJ when they fought. Cruz was the originator of that style adapted for MMA, so he generally knew everything TJ was trying to do.


Now Cody outclassed Cruz via simple and effective boxing footwork to shut down the unconventional movement of Cruz

Cody would take subtle steps to shut down any ambush opportunities off of Cruz's movement

Cody would subtly pivot to not only keep Cruz off set, but put Cruz out of position himself

Cody would simply take all the right small steps (his boxing base)

Cody vs Cruz was like Barrera vs. Naseem Hamed, in how simple effective small steps/pivots beats unconventional movement/excessive movement etc

And Cody's tremendous TDD further made it more difficult for Cruz to implement his will etc


We saw Cody doing the same against TJ, and having success against TJ for the same reasons.

However TJ is more aggressive and more willing to exchange. Cody eventually got caught

1. TJ's infamous shift into his left high kick off his punching combinations completely caught Cody off guard

2. After Cody was dropped by TJ's awkward shifting left high kick, Cruz got emotional and then unknowingly stepped himself into a bad position, trying to "get his rival back"

He ended up exchanging hooks while giving up the outside angle to TJ.

So of course TJ from the better position at that moment got there first/landed better. TJ had the outside angle from the drop. Cody through multiple factors stepped himself into a bad position and engaged to trade hooks while giving up the outside angle. Big no no




This rematch is very interesting

1. If Cody can keep his composure he can beat TJ the way he beat Cruz

2. TJ is much more offensively orientated then Cruz, and much more aggressive and more willing to exchange. Cody has to take OUT all of the emotions of their rivalry, be patient, be calm, and remain on his p's and q's

3. Cody has to be prepared for TJ's weird and unconventional punching to kicking combinations


4. IF Cody can slow down the fight, control it from range and dictate when exchanges occur, Cody can outbox TJ/certainly counter TJ coming in for knockdowns ala vs Cruz

Mainly, PATIENCE WILL BE absolutely KEY FOR CODY

For TJ, CHAOS AND FORCING MISTAKES in that chaos is his key



Awesome fight between 2 actual elite skillsmen in their primes

People were making a big deal out of Jones vs DC. Jones and DC are medium size fish in a small pond. Both are only truly stand out in wrestling/clinching

WHERE as Cody vs TJ are the REAL DEAL in terms of skill and IQ

Even for their first fight I was saying how Cody vs TJ is the actual Elite level fight between 2 elite skillsmen (unlike Jones vs DC)

And their first fight didn't disappoint

Was an awesome fight

CODY vs TJ will always be a fight between 2 actual worthy p4p skillsmen

Very much looking forward to their rematch.

No matter the result we will witness an absolute pinnacle of skill and IQ in MMA

The lower weight classes is WHERE It's really at with truly elite talent, depth and fierce competition.

On another note that is why Conor is the true GOAT of MMA. Conor became champ of the 2 deepest most stacked greatest divisions in all of MMA

I've said it in other threads but I believe it all comes to Cody throwing less combinations. He dominated Cruz and the first round against Dillashaw with single shots and quick 2-punch combos.

Where he got into trouble was when he was trying to touch TJ with 3 and 4 shots at a time. While you usually would coach more combinations in order to touch someone at TJs level with good shots, I think Cody's strength is in the short, simple combinations. I think he has fast and heavy enough hands with good enough timing that he can pick off TJ's movement with 1 and 2 heavy shots at a time.

There's no need to put the ineffective 3rd and 4th shots at the end of combos, like the right hand he threw as he was fading away when he got KO'd. He threw a 2-3, and could have angled out and reset, but he got carried away and caught. Imo, all he has to do is not throw those extra shots and he controls the center and lands the cleaner shots.

T.J.-Dillashaw-def-Cody-Garbrandt-via-knockout-punches.gif
 
This is all in terms of pure skill

Pound for pound has nothing to do with resume or legacy
If your not basing his skill set off of his resume, then what are you basing it off of?
 
Back
Top