Coast Guard icebreaker funding reallocated to US-Mexico border wall

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  1. ocean size

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    https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-...reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857
    Meanwhile Russia and China go hog on Arctic resources, including a third of global natural gas reserves. But hey at least some Central Americans won't steal our low paid agriculture jobs, or they will have to get a good ladder to do it.
     
  2. Willy Womack

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    One ship in the arctic vs (hopefully) helping to secure our border. I wonder which one will affect the average American more?

    Btw Eastern Shipbuilding in Panama City FL has a 2.4 billion dollar contract to build 20 something cutters for the coast guard. Look it up.
     
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    The spineless and fake GOP party does not want the wall- they too want open borders. This nation cannot survive with this massive invasion that is unprecedent in human history
     
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    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    And an Ice Breaker is going to do anything about that?

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    Ice Breakers aren't made to drill for fossil fuel. They break ice around the Artic to assists navigation in the Northern Sea Route, especially now that the ice are melting and more shipping lanes are opening up to merchant vessels. All this talk about them extracting gas is just, well, hot air.
     
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    Russia has forty of them for a reason. Ice is thin enough for the first time that these areas are accessable but you still need icebreakers. Homeland security and the coast guard think it is worthwhile to have enough.

    Do you not want a piece of the now expanded energy pie?
     
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    I'll take your word for it. How is building new cutters relevant though? As for which will affect the average American, if the renewables boom continues maybe it doesn't matter how big of a claim China and Russia get on gas. How do you think the wall (if successful) will affect folks other than increased veggie prices?
     
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  10. Arkain2K

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    You're barking up the wrong tree here. The reason for Russia (and Canada) to ever-expanding their fleet of Ice Breakers is Transportation. And those countries needs a lot of them, for geographical reason.

    https://www.arctictoday.com/rosatomflot-faces-increasing-challenges-needs-icebreakers/

    If the bulk of our country is next to the Artic instead of just Alaska, we would need a fleet of Ice Breakers just like Russia and Canada for our shipping needs. But as it stands, one more or one less Coastguard cutter doesn't mean much to our national security at this time. Makes great rage bait though, since some evil politicians want to divert the fund for this unit to border security, which is arguably more important right now than the Artic since cartel activities have spilled over the border for years now. Folks in the Open Border crowd certainly wouldn't like that idea for sure.

    Drilling for oil in the Artic? Even those who will click Like on your post are against that massively-unpopular idea, I think.

    We will build more Ice Breakers as needed, and they will be used to assists navigation as more of our merchants experiments with the Northern Sea Route, not to drill for oil.
     
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    I never said I support putin and I have no Russian dna
     
  12. Arkain2K

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    Apparently we're getting 6 new ones, and like I suspected, they have absolutely nothing to do with our energy exploration and extraction.


    New US icebreakers to challenge Russia’s dominance of Arctic
    Michael Evans | August 3 2018

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    America has only two operational icebreakers, while Russia has 45


    The United States will invest billions of dollars on ships that break up polar ice to challenge Russia’s dominance in the Arctic.

    American navy commanders have repeatedly criticised the lack of any clear strategy from the Pentagon for the region, especially because ice-melting conditions are opening up opportunities for merchant shipping lanes. The coastguard has only two operational icebreakers, compared with 45 that Russia owns. China has one but has an ambitious building programme that has raised concerns in the US.

    James Mattis, the US defence secretary, declared in a national defence strategy document in January that the Pentagon’s top priority was to prepare for a “great power competition” from Russia and China. However, officials warned that in the Arctic the military was lagging behind those of its two rivals in capability and technology.

    The discrepancy in the number of icebreakers is expected to be addressed soon after Congress passed the $717 billion defence authorisation bill this week. President Trump is expected to sign the bill into law imminently. It allows for the purchase of six icebreakers, the first of which is intended to be completed by 2023. Each will cost an estimated £700 million.

    The US has only one heavy icebreaker, the Polar Star, which is more than 40 years old. There are two other smaller ships but one of them, the Polar Sea, is no longer operational and is being used for spare parts. The third, Healy, a medium-weight vessel, was designed for scientific research.

    Russia has 11 more icebreakers in planning or development, including three nuclear-powered vessels that are due to be completed by 2020. It is also building up its military strength in the region and plans to extract the area’s vast oil and natural gas resources.

    Admiral Karl Schultz, commandant of the US coastguard, told a conference in Washington that three of the six planned American icebreakers needed to be heavy versions to compete with the Russians and Chinese.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...llenge-russia-s-dominance-of-arctic-59wn96d0g
     
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    I was only pointing out that plenty of money is still going towards coast guard ships. I assume they're being prioritized according to importance.

    As for the wall, it's simple supply and demand (assuming illegals already here are also deported). Less workers will lead to higher pay in more industries than just agriculture (and higher vegetable prices, oh well). Less competition for housing will lead to lower housing and rent prices. It benefits all Americans except those who thrive by exploiting a desperate, cheap labor pool and slumlords (and maybe regular joes whose entire net worth is locked into their home).

    I'll try to find the link but I saw a bit on Vice News where they pointed out that illegals contribute something to the tune of 1.3 trillion dollars into the housing market. The irony is they were trying to scare people (homeowners, I assume) into opposing Trump and his policies but if anything it made me support him more.
     
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    Decent points. I don't think the wall will be successful though.
     
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    We have needed new Heavy icebreakers for 20 years. These are home ported in Seattle, and its sad seeing the state of these ships. The Polar Star has shorter and shorter deployments, because so much stuff will breakdown. Its sister ship the Polar Sea, has been nothing but a parts ship for a decade. These are vial for Antarctic research, but they are needed in the Arctic to clear and patrol US interests, and help northern communities. We have to pay for private, usually Russian icebreakers to do the job. The Coast guard as a whole is underfunded, and its equipment is the oldest of any military branch. They keep expanding there role, and make them focus more on terrorism and international drug smuggling, but take away from the guards core mission.
     
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    You are correct that it is about more than Russia making claims in international territory for gas, as I mention above trade routes and rare earth minerals as well. The point is doubling our heavy Icebreaker fleet isn't happening 'as needed' because of a campaign promise popular among Trump's base.
     
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    Lol getting cucked in South East Asia by China, getting cucked in the Arctic by Russia. Yet I'm sure the defense budget will be even bigger next year.

    WTF is Murka doing with all that money?
     
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    seeing mexicans climb the wall with their ladders would be hilarious
     
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    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/08/04/is-the-coast-guards-icebreaker-project-doomed/
    So House Republicans are trying to move money bc we need 18 billion to build the first chunk of wall, and they need to get reelected. Sounds like the Senate might prevent it from happening though.

    Right now for months a year we have zero access to the arctic

     

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