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Jihad in Turkey isn't daily, but atleast monthly by this point.
Tadzikistan is holding off the Islamic terrorists, mainly due to assistance from Russia.
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Jihad in Turkey isn't daily, but atleast monthly by this point.
Tadzikistan is holding off the Islamic terrorists, mainly due to assistance from Russia.
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So you're saying that guy was wrong? And can you give me an example of this monthly jihad? Turks or kurds bombing their own people isn't jihad.
Also it said lower percentages they should have sharia law. Can you show me how turkey and Tajikistan have sharia law? Or how about any of the countries @seiger posted like Tunisia having sharia law or daily jihad?
I'm starting to wonder if you could even find Tajikistan on a map, let alone a real fact about it
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Kurds aren't the only ones doing the bombing in Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2016_Istanbul_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atatürk_Airport_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2016_Diyarbakır_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIL_rocket_attacks_on_Turkey_(2016)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2016_Istanbul_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2016_Gaziantep_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2016_Gaziantep_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Boris_Nemtsov
These are only from this year alone. Is this the reality that you wish to live in?
Every time that the Turks have attempted to introduce elements of Sharia law to their secular state, the military has intervened. But things might change with Erdogan on top.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Turkey#AKP_political_agenda_of_Islamization
Tunisia does have a fair share of jihad, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_National_Museum_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sousse_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tunis_bombing
The country has only been a proper democracy for a few years, and we will see where things develop with the Islamic party (previously banned) in charge.
Most of the states that seiger posted are African nations, where Islamic religion does not hold a similar meaning as it does in the Middle East. Many African Muslims have Sufi or Ahmadiyya influences, and do not necessarily practise the religion in a fundamental sense, like Middle Eastern people do. However, Islamist elements have spread further and further into Africa as well, with Boko Haram and al-Shabaab serving as examples of that.
Here's one fact you might enjoy reading about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistani_Civil_War
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So you are defining Muslims that tacking themselves as jihad? I thought jihad was destroying us westerners? Out of the links you posted about Turkey, only 2 were perpetrated by turks. The rest were Syrians, chechens, and one of the articles you posted has to do with an assassination in Russia perpetrated by non Turkish Muslims from the Caucasus region. It has zero relevance to your point...
And yes there was an attempted muslim uprising followed by an intense crackdown on Muslims by Tajikistan. People aren't even allowed to grow long beards over there. But such a bastion of islamism huh...
And your point about a African nations not having as strong a sense of Islamism is just another convenient way of changing the goal posts. That load bull crap said at certain percantages of Islamism, this is supposed to happen. Now you're changing the narrative.
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What's the limit? I propose zero.
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Jihad is also about the war against takfiri, and the majority of targets for jihadists are other Muslims who are not deemed to be practising the religion in a fundamental sense. Jihad is about destroying westerners too, yes, but due to the lack of Western targets in the Middle East, jihad is committed against other Muslims instead. But as we have seen in the West, once there is an abundance of Western targets to commit jihad against, the Muslim terrorists no longer need to target their own, with Western/Christian targets taking a priority.
The key point being that jihad is a phenomenon unique and attributable to Islam, and always will be.
The point was obviously that Islamism has spread to Turkey, a previously secular nation which has slowly drifted towards being an Islamic country under Erdogan's rule, and has allowed in numerous Muslim refugees. With it, came a massive increase to religiously-motivated terrorist attacks in the region. We can also allow Islamism to spread into the West, if we continue be naive as fuck towards the religion and what the Islamic faith entails.
Iraq wasn't a bastion of Islamism either until the secular dictator was over-thrown. Non-Islamic, secular regimes in the Middle East can only be upheld through tyranny and military intervention. If the population is allowed to democratically elect their leaders, they, almost without exception, choose to elect an Islamic leader rather than a secular one.
I expect that Tajikistan will see an increasing amount of proponents for Sharia law, if the current regime is toppled over. Right now, Russia is playing a big part in why the regime continues to stay in power, and why the Islamic element continues to be suppressed.
It is not so much about "changing the goal posts" as much as it is about acknowledging that there are cultural differences to Sub-Saharan African Muslims, and Middle Eastern/North African Muslims. The refugees coming in are largely from the Middle Eastern region, not Sub-Saharan Africa, and the theory about Islamism increasing according to the level of Muslim population holds weight around that region. Most Middle Eastern Muslims wish to live their life according to Sharia, and would prefer to see a government which imposes Sharia law on the citizens. Most of the countries which are deemed to be secular despite a Muslim majority, are countries where secularism is upheld through the use of force.
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