News Chinese authorities question MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong over Hong Kong protest comments

[mon]

Is not going all the well, trust me I lived in Australia before public healthcare system sucks I check in hospital at 7pm don't get to see the doctor until 12:00am is always been like that same type of story in Canada too. I started paying for private health insurance after that and the service level was night and day but you see the thing with Australia medicare and Scandinavian medicare is that there is still a choice to get private health insurance if you want Bernie's Universal medicare completely outlaws private insurance so 170 million people would lose their private health insurance they worked so hard to get, no competition so the government can run medicare how ever they like, smaller clinics will close down as the medicare pay is lower the private insurance pay, less people want to become a health professionals because of higher work load less pay, oh also your tax will increase.

https://blog.acton.org/archives/107193-national-health-care-topples-a-nordic-government.html
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06...e-actually-moving-toward-private-health-care/
https://issuesinsights.com/2019/06/...t-scandinavian-countries-health-care-systems/

"public healthcare system sucks I check in hospital at 7pm don't get to see the doctor until 12:00am"

In Australia
This can be both correct and incorrect depending on the severity of your problem, the load of other sick/injured people and the location of the hospital.

No matter what level of private health paid for- if you have an acute life threatening emergency you will be sent to a public hospital, end of story. If your condition was deemed life threatening it would not have taken 5 hours to see a doctor anywhere at any time. If there was any concern about your condition you would have seen a doctor (no matter how briefly) to ensure nothing was missed.

At 7pm any Australian would know to go to a bulk bill (free) medical centre and see a doctor instead of a hospital. Hospitals especially the ER try and discourage non emergency patients and for good reason, they are primary for emergencies and someone's stubbed toe is of no concern for them.

Not long ago I had to take some one to a public hospital and within the space of 2 hours he had seen 3 doctors and a neurologist within a further hour or so. A family member had cancer and never had a excessive wait and I have had multiple visits for emergency surgeries and never felt I had substandard care even if it meant waiting 24 hours to get it (which was the longest)

 

[DustyWarrior]

Fuck China, what a backwards, shitty, communist led toilet of a country.

 

[CygnetCommittee]

Last year I was in China, nobody had heard about that social credit system. This may be fake news.

Yes, the social credit system is not a thing in China. It was being tested in a very small area for a short while by (it was done by a private company) but they weren’t satisfied with the results and is now not used at all. With that said, The CCP is still a pretty evil dystopian regime and I am in no way defending China, but the social credit system is not a thing, at least not for now.

 

[CygnetCommittee]

And to all uneducated people in this thread: China is not communist, it was in in the 50s and part of the 60s but haven been since Mao died. And it’s not socialist either, China today is actually way more similar to USA than the Scandinavian countries for example.

 

[teamfox223]

Honestly I dont know about Bernie's Healthcare Plan. But I figured like Medicare or whatever, people have a choice of free in network care or to seek care outside/out of pocket. I just cant imagine private insurance and private practices would be shut down in a Capitalist society.

Exactly the point Bernie don't want a capitalist society he wants a socialist society in order to build a

"public healthcare system sucks I check in hospital at 7pm don't get to see the doctor until 12:00am"

In Australia
This can be both correct and incorrect depending on the severity of your problem, the load of other sick/injured people and the location of the hospital.

No matter what level of private health paid for- if you have an acute life threatening emergency you will be sent to a public hospital, end of story. If your condition was deemed life threatening it would not have taken 5 hours to see a doctor anywhere at any time. If there was any concern about your condition you would have seen a doctor (no matter how briefly) to ensure nothing was missed.

At 7pm any Australian would know to go to a bulk bill (free) medical centre and see a doctor instead of a hospital. Hospitals especially the ER try and discourage non emergency patients and for good reason, they are primary for emergencies and someone's stubbed toe is of no concern for them.

Not long ago I had to take some one to a public hospital and within the space of 2 hours he had seen 3 doctors and a neurologist within a further hour or so. A family member had cancer and never had a excessive wait and I have had multiple visits for emergency surgeries and never felt I had substandard care even if it meant waiting 24 hours to get it (which was the longest)

Most bulk billing medical Centre closes after 7pm you rarely see any open after 7pm. Yes of course if you is life threatening condition you would be the in the ER room first like in America if you get shot you would see the doctor first.

 

[SandaKicker]

I really admire this guy and an now a fan.

China is the number one enemy of the world without a doubt. The dictatorship has infiltrated the West and are very prevalent in our universities.
We've been having peaceful pro-democracy Chinese students holding rallies in some universities here and they've been attacked by groups of pro-China individuals. I expect it's been the same in other countries too? When people here criticized these attacks the Chinese regime had a go at Australia and basically told us to butt-out!

Agreed, plus China has a kickass Sanda team that often go neck and neck with elite thai boxers, I have no idea why they feel the need to promote this Wing Chun/Shaolin Kung Fu bullshit that they so often peddle. It doesn't even make sense, just the government trying to control shit that they are clueless about.

This reminds I had a fight with a Wing Chun instructor a couple of years ago in the UK;



If you are getting whooped by random sherdoggers training for fun then you know your martial art has serious problems.

I reckon in the West there's probably dozens of these going on a year, getting limited attention on regional shows.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

China actually puts a ton of effort into protecting its culture, America should take notes.

 

[teamfox223]

Fuck China, what a backwards, shitty, communist led toilet of a country.

Oh yeah that's why China have lower poverty rate, 96% people have health insurance, less violent crime, less homicide then America yet have 4 times more population. America's rat, drag, crime infested cities, like Baltimore, St Louis, Detroit, Memphis, Chicago where people shoot each other everyday, homeless tent cities, shit and used needles all over the streets of California, San Francisco and Seattle looks like a third world country you won't find any major cities in China in that type of state, go ahead try to find one. You can't even protect your own boarder where thousands of illegal cross everyday and you talk shit about other countries ?

 

[giusti825]

They stopped being communists in the 90s. It's a full on fascist regime now despite the name of the country and the party.

Authoritarianism is part of many different political ideologies on both sides of the spectrum.

First intelligent comment ive seen in this thread. Its funny how a lot of people have no problem with authoritarianism as long as it's corporate. It's ok for Google to censor the internet and stifle free speech as long as it's not the big bad state.

Newsflash: American social media companies already assign us social credit scores and monitor "media influencers", as requested by the government; they just don't tell you about it.

 

[teamfox223]

Yes, the social credit system is not a thing in China. It was being tested in a very small area for a short while by (it was done by a private company) but they weren’t satisfied with the results and is now not used at all. With that said, The CCP is still a pretty evil dystopian regime and I am in no way defending China, but the social credit system is not a thing, at least not for now.

Even

Yes, the social credit system is not a thing in China. It was being tested in a very small area for a short while by (it was done by a private company) but they weren’t satisfied with the results and is now not used at all. With that said, The CCP is still a pretty evil dystopian regime and I am in no way defending China, but the social credit system is not a thing, at least not for now.

Social credit system applies in most parts of China already but only if you own debt in China you are restricted from buying first class plane and train tickets, can't use high speed rail, can't book luxury hotels, your kids can't go to expensive ivy league school because the government believe if you have money to afford those luxuries in life you can afford to pay your debts you can still go on with your life but you can't purchase luxury services until you pay your debt, Xu owns $400,000 unless he makes a payment deal he'll be restricted and if he fails to pay his payment arrangement the restriction goes back on. There are talks about other things like bad Internet actives (porn, too much gaming etc), bad public behaviors (lettering, illegal dumping, fighting) are considering be added to the social credit system normal people in China don't have high debts won't notice the social credit system.

 

[God_Emperor_Of_Mankind]

Looks like China is a shit country.

But we knew that already.

 

[DustyWarrior]

Oh yeah that's why China have lower poverty rate, 96% people have health insurance, less violent crime, less homicide then America yet have 4 times more population. America's rat, drag, crime infested cities, like Baltimore, St Louis, Detroit, Memphis, Chicago where people shoot each other everyday, homeless tent cities, shit and used needles all over the streets of California, San Francisco and Seattle looks like a third world country you won't find any major cities in China in that type of state, go ahead try to find one. You can't even protect your own boarder where thousands of illegal cross everyday and you talk shit about other countries ?

Nice rant, but I don't even live in America you stupid fuck.

Also, even if I was American, I would take all of those bad points you mentioned over Chinas internet censoring, social credit system, and one of the worlds worse havens for animal abuse just to name a few.

 

[teamfox223]

Nice rant, but I don't even live in America you stupid fuck.

Also, even if I was American, I would take all of those bad points you mentioned over Chinas internet censoring, social credit system, and one of the worlds worse havens for animal abuse just to name a few.

Nice then where do you live then ? Yeah like there is no Internet censoring in the West you get banned from Twitter, YouTube, Facebook
Just for having a polical opinion or stating some static because it might offend some people and deemed hate speech and of course your low IQ ass don't even know how social system work like I explained in this thread already. Tell me where you live then if you have the guts.

 

[mon]

Exactly the point Bernie don't want a capitalist society he wants a socialist society in order to build a

Most bulk billing medical Centre closes after 7pm you rarely see any open after 7pm. Yes of course if you is life threatening condition you would be the in the ER room first like in America if you get shot you would see the doctor first.

They are about though so if you drive 45 mins who cares.

I don't have a fixed address and I wouldn't have a problem finding somewhere that's open until 9pm between the places I stay. If it's not life threatening, could produce a long term disability or serious scarring why are you trying to see a doctor instead of waiting until the next day? Fair enough if you have a potential broken bone/s or a bad cut on your noggin but outside of that only a sister can't put up with a sniffle and a bit of discomfort for a few hours.

As I said the ER department try and discourage inappropriate visits and perhaps the wait times are lengthened a little, who knows. All up I have had three broken bones requiring 3 surgeries plus other visits like physio, a family member had a full course of chemo and well over 12 emergency visits to the er plus multiple excessory visits due to the treatment including over 6 weeks living at the hospital on 24/7 care, a mate had a 5 day stay for a potential brain problem and all up the cost was $0.

 

[teamfox223]

They are about though so if you drive 45 mins who cares.

I don't have a fixed address and I wouldn't have a problem finding somewhere that's open until 9pm between the places I stay. If it's not life threatening, could produce a long term disability or serious scarring why are you trying to see a doctor instead of waiting until the next day? Fair enough if you have a potential broken bone/s or a bad cut on your noggin but outside of that only a sister can't put up with a sniffle and a bit of discomfort for a few hours.

As I said the ER department try and discourage inappropriate visits and perhaps the wait times are lengthened a little, who knows. All up I have had three broken bones requiring 3 surgeries plus other visits like physio, a family member had a full course of chemo and well over 12 emergency visits to the er plus multiple excessory visits due to the treatment including over 6 weeks living at the hospital on 24/7 care, a mate had a 5 day stay for a potential brain problem and all up the cost was $0.

I had ACL reconstruction and Medicare could only cover part of it I had to pay the gap and same as a family member who got surgery too and phyiso is not covered either not sure what type of Medicare you are talking about phyiso is never free.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/in...-australia/medical-care-visitors-australia#a6

 

[mon]

I had ACL reconstruction and Medicare could only cover part of it I had to pay the gap and same as a family member who got surgery too and phyiso is not covered either not sure what type of Medicare you are talking about phyiso is never free.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/in...-australia/medical-care-visitors-australia#a6

I had the physio for a broken ankle which was fixed at the public hospital and didn't pay a cent, didn't go more then a couple of times but no money cost. Was an outpatient to the physio at the public hospital. Every operation they have asked me if I had private health and told them no, had it but didn't want to risk a cost for the free TV which I would have got.

I paid for my own knee reconstruction and it was only $3500 at the time, late 2010. Got in a fight early 2010 and ended up in er then surgery, no cost.

Over my life I've been to the public hospital a lot and can't remember paying a cent ever. Mum's treatment was late 2016 and it was only if the doctor stated it wasn't critical to her did she pay I. E. tanked oxygen at home while her blood o2 levels were above the cutoff.

March this year the mate I took to er appeared to have had a stroke. He was admitted Friday morning and didn't get out until late Tuesday with a massive amount of testing and there was no cost involved.

 

[RayA]

The Chinese courts also made him pay $80,000 and apologize everyday for 7 days for calling out some Wing Chun master as a "fake/ fraudster".

Communist China. Tbh he's lucky he's not been taken away yet for a re-education.

What exactly is the big offense here though?

 

[Cjsimon1]

China is liberal according to Sherdog <Lmaoo>

I see liberals calling for censorship same as the Chinese government does. That’s just one similarity albeit the scariest similarity

 

[drabon74]

Many are just trying to move the U.S. back to the values of FDR and the New Deal. Try educating yourself about that. FDR, by the way, was very popular with the American people.

To try and equate the FDR new deal with what the new wave socialists are pushing for shows you are not educated on the subject or have blind alligance to a political party. FDR would put some of these clowns away for treason. 5 years ago Bernie and his sheeple were propping up Venezuela as a socialist utopia, have you checked in on Venezuela lately? When you reward laziness, when you redistribute wealth you destroy the fabric of what made this country what it is by eroding the entrepreneurial spirit. There is no longer an incintive to push to be better, to make better products, etc. Capitalism isn’t perfect, but look at the contributions to society and quality of life capitalists enjoy over every single socialist country. Please point to one time where socialism has ever been successful for anyone other than a very small handful at the very top. And we are to buy that bullshit that Bernie and Cortez has it all figured out? He looked like a fool for promising a 15 dollar minimum wage but then wouldn’t even pay his staff that amount. He can’t even make it work on a small scale of a few thousand but we are to buy that he will make it work for millions? He is just pandering to the lazy and stupid, promising things that would ruin the country if ever enacted just to get a vote. Thankfully he will never get the nod, flawed Biden easily beats him because Biden is much closer to the center of the political spectrum. Heck his voting record looks a tad conservative If you go back a few years.

 

[teamfox223]

I had the physio for a broken ankle which was fixed at the public hospital and didn't pay a cent, didn't go more then a couple of times but no money cost. Was an outpatient to the physio at the public hospital. Every operation they have asked me if I had private health and told them no, had it but didn't want to risk a cost for the free TV which I would have got.

I paid for my own knee reconstruction and it was only $3500 at the time, late 2010. Got in a fight early 2010 and ended up in er then surgery, no cost.

Over my life I've been to the public hospital a lot and can't remember paying a cent ever. Mum's treatment was late 2016 and it was only if the doctor stated it wasn't critical to her did she pay I. E. tanked oxygen at home while her blood o2 levels were above the cutoff.

March this year the mate I took to er appeared to have had a stroke. He was admitted Friday morning and didn't get out until late Tuesday with a massive amount of testing and there was no cost involved.

Yeah I got free physio too if you mean the physio at the hospital came and saw me after the surgery but real rehab begin when you leave the hospital every doctors opinion is that the best chance of me getting back to combat sport again to see a physio for rehab and Medicare doesn't cover physio that's what I was told by medicare and you can see it in my link too, I had private insurance that covered most of it.