Chatri Sityodtong on Conor McGregor

[a guy]

Sounds like the dude is sour. Traditional Thai footwork is going by the wayside in MMA.

Not only that, none of the best kickers in MMA throw with a pure Thai style, they usually look more like hybrid kicks. Cerrone was chambering after fucking leg kicks last night lol, then look at Cro cop, pettis, makdessi, jones, machida, etc. The only type of kick you'll often see thrown with close to a pure Thai style is some low kicks thrown by guys like Aldo, alves and saffiedine.

 

[NidNoi]

What shit story are you talking about?

His 'no secret what martial art has dominated Asia' reference implying how MT is the premier most effective martial art in Asia is pretty hilarious and insulting at the same time - tell that to the Mongolian wrestlers or Indian/Pakistani Kushti wrestlers (who start training as children). Wrestling has been the most dominant martial art in Asia - it's been in Asia for thousands of years for a reason, in fact the oldest remnants of wrestling come from both Mongolia (as far back as 7000BC) and Malla Yuddha in India, the ancestor to Kushti which dates back as far as 5000 years --- they've far predated MT or Muay Boran, let alone TKD or Karate and have lasted for a reason. They are the most dominant martial arts in Asia - all those wrestling arts in China, Mongolia and the rest of Asia.

You just insulted a group of people - do you have no shame? I think that's the definition of shameless.

Why ? It's a truth. LOL

What word on the shorts that thompson wore means ?

Watch this picture what two ugly *** do.

http://www.youtube.com/user/njkfjapan

 

[NidNoi]

What does that even mean? You shouldn't really be calling me thick when your asking a question that makes absolutely no sense.

It means that "between your face and the concrete floor , which is thicker and tougher ?".

 

[Azam]

I'm not interested in hypotheticals where one technique may or may not be more or less efficient for different fighters against different opponents. I'm talking about mcgregor. He gets less done when he's spamming jumping and spinning kicks, more done when he's pressuring with his boxing.

Yeah I agree he does get more done when he's pressuring with his boxing but I feel part of the reason he does well in that regard is precisely because of the random flashy kick - his opponents for the most part are hesitant to attack him when he's throwing flashy - I think that's the purpose of it all, to make them hesitant and get them in that mindset then following up with boxing pressure to force the mistake and the mistake comes when you've been put in that mindset.

Might not agree with what he's doing but I can understand why he might be opting for it.

That said I don't think he'll be able to do that against the top dogs of the division like Frankie Edgar, Aldo or Swanson. As he is at the moment, I don't see him beating either Edgar or Aldo, it's a toss up between Swanson though.

I agree with your points about unpredictability, but I like when he does that to only a small degree. The buchinger fight is a good example, as is the brandao fight. Those kicks are most efficient when he throws one or two a round, and he's most effective when that's what he's doing but mostly using his boxing. Basic is better than unpredictable. The best fighters generally use a relatively small number of basic techniques and their skill is in the application, which conor has nearly mastered for his boxing but isn't even close to with his flashy kicks.

I'm pretty much the same in that regard as well. Unpredictability can be a good thing when done in small doses but it's also a double edged sword, he could easily leave himself exposed or perhaps have an unpredicted outcome and be made to pay for it.

I agree with you as well - definitely about basic techniques because that's when you can really specialise in them & apply them in ways others can't. But that said you can't discount the value of having a high risk/high reward technique or having something else to fall back on to, in case things don't go your way.

If we take the example of Machida - his shotokan approach while incredibly effective and yet very basic fundamentals is also his weakness because that's all he knows (prior to his recent change). He is soo good of the back foot and countering, that when he had to pressure or go on the front foot he couldn't do it as well.....which resulted in him having to try and adapt & change himself because he realised that you need something to fall back on to. Connor has those flashy kicks in his repertoire, yes his technique might not be great or it might not be better than his hands but should his hands not save him, at least he has that facet to rely on or even use to make sure his hands land more by being unpredictable and making his opponent feel hesitant.

If you watched last night's fight Poirier avoided him nearly every time he did anything flashy - I feel as though Connor uses it to get into their head along with the trash talk to try to establish mental dominance.

But that said instead of learning flashy kicks he'd be better equipped to learn kicks which fit in neatly with his pressuring.

 

[NidNoi]

Michael Thompson: 84kg - just over a year of kickboxing experience - hence awful hands.


Changpeuk Kiatsongrit: 79kg - fighting MT since 14.


Yeah Michael Thompson may have been a few kilograms heavier but his fighting instinct is what pulled him through since Kiatsongrit had beaten much heavier guys. Michael Thompson was just as good as Andy Hug, if not better back in their knockdown karate days.

Michael Thompson had the talent/skill to achieve what Hug did but he was way too small for a heavyweight, tough as nails from all that knockdown, great fighting instinct and incredible willpower but way too small for K1 heavyweights at the time, hence I think one of the reasons he stopped fighting professionally.


M.Thompson vs Hoost (clip):





M.Thompson vs Aerts (clip):





I remember with the aerts fight he nailed him with a few kicks (can't remember) and Aerts got aggressive because he wouldn't stay down lol. Take into account that is someone who is 84kg facing heavyweights over 100kg and with the vast difference in kickboxing experience.

Look at the comment part in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTlmUQeH6ws

Changpuek also lost almost everywhere nevertheless he got respected and remembered more than many fighters unlike this guy who nobody wants to remember his name. LOL

 

[a guy]

i disagree strongly. someone who's tricky and comes at you with techniques like he does is a HUGE worry mentally and gets you off your game and makes you tentative, JUST what connor wants. i think it's excellent, as you said, he's so athletic that he can pull off these new moves with very much efficiency. none of his techniques were far enough off landing where they aren't a worry.

even competing as an ammy boxer there's people giving you shit constantly getting you off your game, cant imagine all the kinds of techniques poirer had to thik about. u even saw it in his mannerism.

There's a point of diminishing returns with the unpredictability. He was having the same effect on guys years ago. I think it adds to his game, but he's at maximum effectiveness AND efficiency when the flash is thrown more thoughtfully.

There are guys who won't freeze or jump away when they see that stuff coming, they'll defend without jumping out of range then running back in if he gets carried away.

 

[Azam]

That story is actually fact, so it's not a story. You can search it yourself, use your hands and type it in google & research for yourself.

Some of my family members practised Kushti, at some point in future I will as well. Malla Yuddha still exists today but it's nearly extinct.

Why ? It's a truth. LOL

Hmm that speaks volumes about your character.

What word on the shorts that thompson wore means ?

I have no idea - this is random though, why do you want to know?

It means that "between your face and the concrete floor , which is thicker and tougher ?".

Well the ultimate tensile strength of bone, skin and hair is greater than concrete. Compressive strength of bone is also greater than that of concrete. So I'm going to say it depends on the density of the concrete floor to my face although it will probably hurt.

 

[a guy]

Yeah I agree he does get more done when he's pressuring with his boxing but I feel part of the reason he does well in that regard is precisely because of the random flashy kick - his opponents for the most part are hesitant to attack him when he's throwing flashy - I think that's the purpose of it all, to make them hesitant and get them in that mindset then following up with boxing pressure to force the mistake and the mistake comes when you've been put in that mindset.

Might not agree with what he's doing but I can understand why he might be opting for it.

That said I don't think he'll be able to do that against the top dogs of the division like Frankie Edgar, Aldo or Swanson. As he is at the moment, I don't see him beating either Edgar or Aldo, it's a toss up between Swanson though.




I'm pretty much the same in that regard as well. Unpredictability can be a good thing when done in small doses but it's also a double edged sword, he could easily leave himself exposed or perhaps have an unpredicted outcome and be made to pay for it.

I agree with you as well - definitely about basic techniques because that's when you can really specialise in them & apply them in ways others can't. But that said you can't discount the value of having a high risk/high reward technique or having something else to fall back on to, in case things don't go your way.

If we take the example of Machida - his shotokan approach while incredibly effective and yet very basic fundamentals is also his weakness because that's all he knows (prior to his recent change). He is soo good of the back foot and countering, that when he had to pressure or go on the front foot he couldn't do it as well.....which resulted in him having to try and adapt & change himself because he realised that you need something to fall back on to. Connor has those flashy kicks in his repertoire, yes his technique might not be great or it might not be better than his hands but should his hands not save him, at least he has that facet to rely on or even use to make sure his hands land more by being unpredictable and making his opponent feel hesitant.

If you watched last night's fight Poirier avoided him nearly every time he did anything flashy - I feel as though Connor uses it to get into their head along with the trash talk to try to establish mental dominance.

But that said instead of learning flashy kicks he'd be better equipped to learn kicks which fit in neatly with his pressuring.

We're on the same page. It's working for him now, but it isn't making him as efficient as he could be. And as the competition increases he's not gonna get away with it so easily. It isn't reliable, but his boxing is and always will be because he can apply it going forwards or backwards.

Now if he gets really good at setting this stuff up and applying it, who knows maybe he'll be spin kicking heads off. I just never like to see fighters go away from their strengths.

 

[Babba]

We're on the same page. It's working for him now, but it isn't making him as efficient as he could be. And as the competition increases he's not gonna get away with it so easily. It isn't reliable, but his boxing is and always will be because he can apply it going forwards or backwards.

Now if he gets really good at setting this stuff up and applying it, who knows maybe he'll be spin kicking heads off. I just never like to see fighters go away from their strengths.

you know what i agree with this post lol!

i just can't edit the last one, haha. BUT. he has never been tagged doing any of his more experimental attacks, he simply gets tagged in exchanges and on the way in and out, or while walking. seems he is more alert while doing the techniques.

 

[Azam]

Look at the comment part in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTlmUQeH6ws

Changpuek also lost almost everywhere nevertheless he got respected and remembered more than many fighters unlike this guy who nobody wants to remember his name. LOL

Actually among karateka, hardcore K1 fans & knockdown karate fans he is widely remembered. I'm proof of it and so are others.

 

[a guy]

you know what i agree with this post lol!

i just can't edit the last one, haha. BUT. he has never been tagged doing any of his more experimental attacks, he simply gets tagged in exchanges and on the way in and out, or while walking. seems he is more alert while doing the techniques.

Agreed, and that's part of what makes him so good. He's so physically gifted that he picks new things up and can throw then comfortably much faster than most. It's why I think people who believe he's gonna get run over by the first decent wrestler are in for a surprise, I'm sure his wrestling skill is growing exponentially. And he's got the skill on the feet to stuff guys even if they're more skilled wrestlers.

 

[Forever Changes]

How do you know ? What is the evidence ?

You are just a shameless man who like to lie all the time.


His weight in this fight is just 140 pounds.

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right here http://www.siamfightmag.com/en/muaythai-en/interviews-muaythai-en/thai-boxers-en/267-changpuek-kiatsongrit

I never said that the lowest he fought in muaythai was 150 pounds. I said that this was his weight before leaving thailand. I allready knew that he started his career at 49 kgs and later 60kg+.He gradually gained weight throughout his career until it got to the point where he was too big and had to move abroad to fight. All of this can be read in the interiew link I posted. He even says that his most difficult victory was against Rick Rufus because of his "very very powerful" high kicks. Which makes sense because it was a high kick from rufus that broke his jaw. Not bad for a karate guy

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Are you guys really fucking arguing with payak?:icon_lol:

 

[NidNoi]

I never said that the lowest he fought in muaythai was 150 pounds. I said that this was his weight before leaving thailand. I allready knew that he started his career at 49 kgs and later 60kg+.He gradually gained weight throughout his career until it got to the point where he was too big and had to move abroad to fight. All of this can be read in the interiew link I posted. He even says that his most difficult victory was against Rick Rufus because of his "very very powerful" high kicks. Which makes sense because it was a high kick from rufus that broke his jaw. Not bad for a karate guy

Do you understand the word "too big" in term of thai ? retarded

 

[MuffinGod11]

Thanks for the insight.

I want to know also, how do you people see Cub vs Frankie. Many people are underestimating Cub for me, like he can't beat Frankie at all and he's top in the division. Cub fight against Stephens may not have been impressive but for me Cub can beat Frankie handedly if he does everything right.

Frankie at LW was a completely different story than Frankie at FW. Feel the Oliviera fights and BJ Penn fight wasn't enough for me to believe he's that good for FW. Aldo fight was close but Aldo took 4 rounds handedly, at least the 3 first rounds were Aldo easily. I feel that Frankie's activity wins more fights rather than his effectivness.

Cub seems really fast, powerful and has a very diverse striking arsenal, I remember Robin Black breakdown of his fight showed Cub smartness by setting up various feints that would pay for him throughout the fight, like body attacks, spinning attacks, etc. He does need to improve his sub defense tho.

 

[Jukai]

Not only that, none of the best kickers in MMA throw with a pure Thai style, they usually look more like hybrid kicks. Cerrone was chambering after fucking leg kicks last night lol, then look at Cro cop, pettis, makdessi, jones, machida, etc. The only type of kick you'll often see thrown with close to a pure Thai style is some low kicks thrown by guys like Aldo, alves and saffiedine.

Muay thai just isn't that useful when you can be taken down.

 

[a guy]

Muay thai just isn't that useful when you can be taken down.

It's true, the rule set and judging criteria honestly make it very impractical in my opinion, even though I love it.

 

[Jukai]

It's true, the rule set and judging criteria honestly make it very impractical in my opinion, even though I love it.

Clinch still wrecks people, tho.

 

[NidNoi]

Muay thai just isn't that useful when you can be taken down.

LOL

Is there muay thai kick in the kickboxing fight where has no taking down ?

 

[Jukai]

LOL

Is there muay thai kick in the kickboxing fight where has no taking down ?

Those wimpy little half-assed Karate-lite sweeps don't count. I remember that barely regional champion Kwonkicker tossing a Thai fighter around like he was nothing with a hip toss but the referee scolded him. And that wasn't even a wrestlers' shot, which those tall, squeezed together legs are totally asking for.

Face it, Muay Thai rules the kickboxing realm but when people get into MMA they abandon it for boxing or K1 striking. Or worse, Karate.