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Catholic church had 'predisposition not to believe' children who complained about priests

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The Catholic Church was more concerned with protecting its own reputation than helping victims of clergy abuse, and had a “predisposition not to believe” children who made complaints, Cardinal George Pell has told the royal commission into institutional responses to sexual child abuse in Australia.

“At that stage, the instinct was more to protect the institution, the community of the church, from shame,” he told the commission in Sydney via videolink from Rome.

On the first day of four scheduled days of evidence before Australia’s royal commission on Monday, Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, conceded the church’s handling of child sexual abuse in the case of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:phile priest Gerald Ridsdale was a “catastrophe”.


“I’m not here to defend the indefensible, the church has made enormous mistakes and is working to remedy those, but the church has in many places, certainly in Australia, has mucked things up, has let people down. I’m not here to defend the indefensible.”


Pell is Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy of the Holy See, widely reportedly as the third-ranking position in the Vatican - a title he disputed in his evidence on Monday. He has already appeared twice before this commission.


For this third appearance, the cardinal was given dispensation to give evidence by videolink to the commission in Sydney from the Hotel Quirinale in Rome after church doctors ruled he was too ill to fly. The 74-year-old Pell has a heart condition.


A group of 15 survivors travelled from Australia to Rome to watch the testimony – a decision that survivor Paul Levey described as an attempt to make Pell feel something of the pressure he might have felt in Australia. They were seated just across the room from the cardinal. Some had t-shirts that said “Stop the silence” while another, Peter Blenkiron, wore a green shirt with a picture of a young boy on it.

Pell said in the early 1970s, when he first heard allegations of priests sexually abusing children, he was “strongly inclined” to believe the priests’ version of events.


In 1972 he became aware of allegations Monsignor John Day had been sexually abusing children. But he was also aware Day had denied the allegations.


“I must say, in those days, if a priest denied such activity, I was very strongly inclined to accept the denial,” Pell said.


The church had a “predisposition not to believe” children who made complaints against priests, he said.



http://www.theguardian.com/australi...g-with-:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:phile-priests
 
The catholic church knew this was going on in many countries and ignored it. It's fucking sick.
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek:phile gangs run the world it seems. Where are the feminists when it comes to stories like this? Where are the feminists to defend the Green Beret who beat the shit out of that child rapist? LOL the biggest armies, biggest institutions etc etc all defend :eek::eek::eek::eek:s. Look at how they protect muslim :eek::eek::eek::eek:s all over europe. :eek::eek::eek::eek: gangs run the world.
 
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It has been an open secret in the Catholic church for hundreds of years. Living side by side with these men they damn sure knew what went on.
 
The Catholic Church had/has some big problems. The biggest being the satanic spirit of :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia that ran rampant through the church.
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek:phile gangs run the world it seems. Where are the feminists when it comes to stories like this? Where are the feminists to defend the Green Beret who beat the shit out of that child rapist? LOL the biggest armies, biggest institutions etc etc all defend :eek::eek::eek::eek:s. Look at how they protect muslim :eek::eek::eek::eek:s all over europe. :eek::eek::eek::eek: gangs run the world.
Everything's about feminists and liberals to you, isn't it? You are the early frontrunner for worst poster of 2016.
 
Everything's about feminists and liberals to you, isn't it? You are the early frontrunner for worst poster of 2016.
Good job bro ignore the :eek::eek::eek::eek:s. My comment, which offended you greatly, is far worse. Your life is on track to be SJW of the year.
 
and people still believe this religious cult and go to cult houses headed by :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes.
 
What´s the diffenrence between a Catholic priest and acne? Acne doesn´t come on a boys face untill he is a teen ;)
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek:phile gangs run the world it seems. Where are the feminists when it comes to stories like this? Where are the feminists to defend the Green Beret who beat the shit out of that child rapist? LOL the biggest armies, biggest institutions etc etc all defend :eek::eek::eek::eek:s. Look at how they protect muslim :eek::eek::eek::eek:s all over europe. :eek::eek::eek::eek: gangs run the world.
Now its feminist's fault that Christians molest children? It is feminist's fault that the UCMJ is more important to the military than what is right? I do not think feminists have as much pull as you seem to think
 
Everything's about feminists and liberals to you, isn't it? You are the early frontrunner for worst poster of 2016.

You must be talking to someone I have on ignore because I can't see who you're replying to. Judging by your reply I made a wise decision.
 
The catholic church knew this was going on in many countries and ignored it. It's fucking sick.

No shit it was sick. Of course there were real cases and cases of some looking for money. But the important thing is that they cracked down on this and you do not see any new cases. Just like america had slaves and separate water fountains and you do not see that anymore...well, until BLM gets their requested black only water fountains.

But again, there is nothing in the bible supporting the rape of children and the opposite view is held if you read and understand the bible.
Contrast that to Islam where muhammed fucked a 9 year old and bragged about it.

The church is a power structure and all power corrupts.

Good, ignore me or get used to it. In all Christianity threads, I'll be playing the "but islam" card. Just like you retards do in Islam threads.

He is too fucking stupid to form a valid argument. All he is is a copy and paste tard. The ignore button is an idiot's last refuge.
 
The Catholic Church had/has some big problems. The biggest being the satanic spirit of :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia that ran rampant through the church.

Yes, there is no abuse in protestant faiths at all, the difference is that protestant faiths are more quick and eager to wash their hands about the abuses going on in their communities, due to their decentralized nature.
 
Yes, there is no abuse in protestant faiths at all, the difference is that protestant faiths are more quick and eager to wash their hands about the abuses going on in their communities, due to their decentralized nature.
Protestant churches have plenty of their own problems too.
 
Protestant churches have plenty of their own problems too.

Seems to me like these men of faith really missed the parts of the Bible where he railed against the Pharisees, since they keep acting like them.
 
Is there a predisposition not to believe those who complain about police?
 
A lot of people seemed to hate Pope Benedict but my understanding is that he was the only one trying to clean this mess up.

Prior to 2001, the primary responsibility for investigating allegations of sexual abuse and disciplining perpetrators rested with the individual dioceses. In 2001, Ratzinger convinced John Paul II to put the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in charge of all investigations and policies surrounding sexual abuse in order to combat such abuse more efficiently.[145][146] According to John L. Allen, Jr., Ratzinger in the following years "acquired a familiarity with the contours of the problem that virtually no other figure in the Catholic Church can claim" and "driven by that encounter with what he would later refer to as 'filth' in the Church, Ratzinger seems to have undergone something of a 'conversion experience' throughout 2003–04. From that point forward, he and his staff seemed driven by a convert's zeal to clean up the mess".[147] In his role as Head of the CDF, he "led important changes made in Church law: the inclusion in canon law of internet offences against children, the extension of child abuse offences to include the sexual abuse of all under 18, the case by case waiving of the statute of limitation and the establishment of a fast-track dismissal from the clerical state for offenders."[148] As the Head of the CDF, Ratzinger developed a reputation for handling these cases. According to Charles J. Scicluna, a former prosecutor handling sexual abuse cases, "Cardinal Ratzinger displayed great wisdom and firmness in handling those cases, also demonstrating great courage in facing some of the most difficult and thorny cases, sine acceptione personarum (without exceptions)".[149][150]

One of the cases Ratzinger pursued involved Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, a Mexican priest and founder of the Legion of Christ, who had been accused repeatedly of sexual abuse. Biographer Andrea Tornielli suggested that Cardinal Ratzinger had wanted to take action against Marcial Maciel Degollado, but that John Paul II and other high-ranking officials, including several cardinals and notably the Pope's influential secretary Stanisław Dziwisz, prevented him from doing so.[146][151] According to Jason Berry, Angelo Sodano "pressured" Cardinal Ratzinger, who was "operating on the assumption that the charges were not justified", to halt the proceedings against Maciel in 1999[152] When Maciel was honored by the Pope in 2004, new accusers came forward[152] and Cardinal Ratzinger "took it on himself to authorize an investigation of Maciel"[146] After Ratzinger became pope he began proceedings against Maciel and the Legion of Christ that forced Maciel out of active service in the Church.[145] On 1 May 2010 the Vatican issued a statement denouncing Maciel's "very serious and objectively immoral acts", which were "confirmed by incontrovertible testimonies" and represent "true crimes and manifest a life without scruples or authentic religious sentiment." Pope Benedict also said he would appoint a special commission to examine the Legionaries’ constitution and open an investigation into its lay affiliate Regnum Christi.[153] Cardinal Christoph Schönborn explained that Ratzinger "made entirely clear efforts not to cover things up but to tackle and investigate them. This was not always met with approval in the Vatican".[145][154] According to Schönborn, Cardinal Ratzinger had pressed John Paul II to investigate Hans Hermann Groër, an Austrian cardinal and friend of John Paul accused of sexual abuse, resulting in Groër's resignation.[151]

In March 2010, the Pope sent a Pastoral Letter to the Catholic Church in Ireland addressing cases of sexual abuse by Catholic priests to minors, expressing sorrow, and promising changes in the way accusations of abuse are dealt with.[155] Victim groups claim the letter failed to clarify if secular law enforcement has priority over canon law confidentiality pertaining to internal investigation of abuse allegations.[156][157][158][159] The Pope then promised to introduce measures that would 'safeguard young people in the future' and 'bring to justice' priests who were responsible for abuse.[144] In April, the Vatican issued guidelines on how existing Church law should be implemented. The guideline dictates that "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes... should always be followed."[160] The guideline was intended to follow the norms established by U.S. bishops, but it does not require the reporting of "allegations" or crimes where reporting is not required by law.[161]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Sexual_abuse_in_the_Catholic_Church

Pope Francis seems to be a lot more popular with his emphasis on inclusion of everyone in the Church but I wonder if he has the resolve to tackle this problem.
 

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