Catch Wrestling applied to Gi BJJ

[Title Fight Productions]

I dont like the cradle, in my judo days this wrestler did it to me in competition, i muscled out and flattened.

I dont see how 2 arms can beat your neck and legs, as much as you can clasp a trained guy will be able to deadlift more than you can hold.

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Because a proper craddle takes away the guys power.

 

[knoxpk]

I dont like the cradle, in my judo days this wrestler did it to me in competition, i muscled out and flattened.

I dont see how 2 arms can beat your neck and legs, as much as you can clasp a trained guy will be able to deadlift more than you can hold.

Now the gi cradle on the other hand pretty good, there is this side mount hold where you grab the belt between his legs and the shoulder in a kind of reverse cradle, that

 

[Rod1]

Cradles work all the time even at high levels of NCAA wrestling, if it is applied well its not just that easy to get out.

That said, I am surprised it isnt more popular, it was my go to for guard passing, especially off a scramble. Also, Ortiz used it very nicely (that and a front headlock) against Bohlander to delivere some punishing knees back in the early days, I guess knees on the ground were still legal.

Very versatile hold.

So, i assume, there is more than simply holding someone by the leg and head and clasping down right? anyone has good instructionals?

Because a proper craddle takes away the guys power.

Even at odd angles the muscles are at great disadvantage, so my guess is that you need also to put proper weight on to give an extra pressure, but i have never really thought about it.

 

[knoxpk]

So, i assume, there is more than simply holding someone by the leg and head and clasping down right? anyone has good instructionals?



Even at odd angles the muscles are at great disadvantage, so my guess is that you need also to put proper weight on to give an extra pressure, but i have never really thought about it.

Dont get us wrong, you can eventually break a cradle, its not easy but can be done, usually you have to cross both your feet and try to stretch to break the grip... Plus think about a squat, your back is straight even though your knee is bent tight to your chest when you are all the way down...now bend over while squatting and see what happens. Cant lift the weight and likely will get hurt...A cradle has you in a situation that you are "bent" and not straight backed. There is a reason you squat either looking straight or looking up...try doing it, looking down, a cradle has your neck (usually) in the looking down position.


Also keep in mind by the time the cradle is executed, the objective has been completed. You are either held down, or have had your guard passed, no need to hold it forever.

Here is a nice basic far side cradle instructional...

YouTube - ‪Far Side Cradle‬‏

 

[Title Fight Productions]

, but i have never really thought about it.

You have a pretty strong opinion about something you have never really thought about.:icon_neut

 

[nefti]

jiu jitsu guys use something like the cradle but rather grab on the lapels instead of clasping hands.

 

[Rod1]

You have a pretty strong opinion about something you have never really thought about.:icon_neut

Again very few people have held me with the cradle, and only one in competition by a former freestyle wrestler, he scored a koka (10-15 second) but i managed to get out.

There was this 300 pound guy that also liked to use on me but again i could escape, maybe its the fact that if it was wrestling i would had been pinned.

The reason i didnt put much attention its because side mount and kesa gatame are much better "pin" in judo, where you dont need both shoulders on the ground to score.

 

[ShanghaiBJJ]

There is a pretty decent escape from the cradle on Gustavo Machados DVD. One of the keys is to actually turn away from the opponent, which allows you to strip the crossface grip more easily.

I'll look it up again some time and explain in more detail.

 

[Slick_36]

There is a big difference the cross armbar i assume is mechanically sound. It pits the massive back and hip muscles against a single bicep with the arm as leverage and the pelvis as fulcrum.

The cradle isnt as easily explained, im pretty sure there are technical mistakes as there are for example technical mistakes in the kesa gatame that a lot of judoka miss.

So i just put my experience, if it really comes to the arms, then how much can the average wrestler hold vs how much the average wrestler can generate from that position.

A proper cradle is a lot more complicated than it looks. It seems the wrestler's way of trying to escape submissions is to just power out, yet many of them will tell you a proper cradle is almost impossible to just power out of. I've been put in a tilt that took away my hips perfectly and I was helpless, without the explosiveness of your hips you can't do much.

 

[ChainFlow]

A proper cradle is a lot more complicated than it looks. It seems the wrestler's way of trying to escape submissions is to just power out, yet many of them will tell you a proper cradle is almost impossible to just power out of. I've been put in a tilt that took away my hips perfectly and I was helpless, without the explosiveness of your hips you can't do much.

Absolutely. Done right, when you try to extend out and break the hold you're almost neck cranking yourself. There's just no strength there.

With some minor flaws, it can still hold almost anyone down for at least a few seconds and is very useful for transitory control.