Cardio REALISM

[Doctor Grudge]

Its EPO u just blinded by fanboyism

Yeah, you're right. Fluffy will take an EPO to get endless cardio, but all his opponents won't think to try the same thing.

If everyone took EPO's there would still be people with better stamina than others.

Makes a lot of sense. You probably one of those guys who thinks if you take steroids you'll transform into Brock Lesnar.

 

[SamuraiBro]

The type of endurance training you do, recovery, diet and PED’s help. Get a good mix of all the above and you’re golden.

 

[volcom5]

Genetics & training hard has a lot to do with it.

The problem with saying everyone “trains hard” in MMA is a little gray, because these fighters don’t get paid to train, they get paid to make weight and fight. So essentially most of not all fighters are scheduling their own regime, you don’t know if some fighters are training 5days a week or 3days, how many hrs etc.

Other sports, athletes are over watched & have to be at practice, if they’re not, they get released. MMA & boxing you really don’t know how hard they trained until you see them fight night.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Genetics aside....

"Work hard" is so vague. You can probably work hard running marathons every two weeks like that Japanese guy in a suit and never wrestle and will get tired out by a wrestler.
Extreme example, but same idea. Are you doing intense training and not much aerobic? Your recovery from the oxygen debt after spurts of effort won't be as quick. Are you doing optimal durations and rests of training? There's loads of sport-specific research into "cardio". Studies about running intervals to improve running speed for example, measuring duration and vo2max% of intervals. And in those studies there isn't one magic interval duration - method A may be best for most of them, but maybe B is best for 20% and C for 15%. They all worked hard. Sometimes working at a higher max intensity means getting in less total high intensity work above a particular threshold of intensity, because you fatigue quicker, so end up spending less total time training certain metabolic pathways.

You can work super hard doing slow squats for high reps. It'll quite possibly worsen your ability to do high reps of explosive jumps.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Of coarse they're hiding their secrets from their opponents.

/thread

Further though, on this Interesting topic... regarding why these cardio kingz don't reveal their secrets. It's not all genetic... though that is a point worth keeping at teh head of this discussion.

Beyond genetics there are very specific & scientifically proven processes they can endure in order to up their VO2Max. I think it all comes down to that... & there are many different variations on how is best to do that.

To answer this thread: There'z a sweet spot between time spent on zone 2 cardio training (can still talk easily while doing cardio like a bike or tread mill etc...) vs. teh "fight or flight stimulating" zone. (zone 5-7 or whatever) This is inherent in our DNA from a million yearz of evolution while running from predators. You can't trigger this all the time though, because it'll be detrimental to your progress. There'z a sweet spot~

For them to publicly reveal teh magic combination of science that works for them would be ridiculously silly. You're basically giving your opponents your magical elixir.

 

[Cazador Diurno]

Yeah, you're right. Fluffy will take an EPO to get endless cardio, but all his opponents won't think to try the same thing.

If everyone took EPO's there would still be people with better stamina than others.

Makes a lot of sense. You probably one of those guys who thinks if you take steroids you'll transform into Brock Lesnar.

Hahahaha im just trollin u man

 

[mkess101]

Genetics plays an outsized role for sure. If you want to be the elite of the elite you need to have chosen the right parents. But I also think that is not the end of the story. The top of the top also need to be doing other things at least partially right to fulfill their potential. You won't be activating those genes to their fullest if you are laying on the couch and scarfing down cheetos. A guy with less elite genes can give you a run for your money if he does the basics right.

For sure, but maaaaan does pure genetics play a role. I had a buddy way back forever ago in HS that was lazy AF. But damn if he didn't whip everyone's ass at cross country. Finished top 5 in the state and qualified for Kinney Nationals then ran on a scholarship in college. My other buddy that ran cross country and was solid but not amazing would say to me "Fuck Tommy man, seriously. Dude screws off in practice, never pushes himself, stays up Friday nights before meets drinking at parties and then Saturday morning none of us can keep up with him."
I'd be like "Dude I had 25 carries in the game last night (I played football) and I get a break after every 5 second play and by the 4th quarter I was sucking wind. And I run hills and bust my ass to try to have good cardio."