Car booting: Civil dispute resolution vs criminal extortion?

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Do you think that car booting should be considered a consensual interaction on private property or criminal extortion?

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/denver-boot-legal-1.4061275

Edmonton parking enforcement firm waging battle with police over use of Denver Boot
Owners have been jailed for using wheel immobilization device, which police say amounts to mischief

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In a written statement, EPS Detective John McConnell states that use of the boot is a criminal act. "There's the act of mischief to another person's vehicle by rendering it inoperable. A second criminal charge of extortion may be appropriate when the vehicle owner is approached in the lot and forced to pay a fee before the device is removed."

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Cantwell maintains what he is doing is legal because the lots RFM patrol are private property and anyone who parks in them is entering into a legal contract to abide by the rules. Those rules are spelled out on signs both at the entrance, and within parking lots.

"If there's a sign in a parking lot, it's your job to read the sign," he explains. "You get out of your car and read the sign. You make your decision whether or not you belong there. If it turns out you get booted because you read the sign and decided to ignore it — it's your own fault."

In Edmonton, RFM is charging drivers $300 plus tax to have the device taken off of their cars.

But his interpretation of the law has never been tested in a Canadian court. The only case law authorities can cite comes from a 1992 decision in Scotland's version of the Supreme Court. It found use of the boot to be a form of extortion, stating: "It is illegal for vehicles to be held to ransom."

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What these guys are doing is wrong IMO. They most likely are offering the lot owners a portion of the profits to be allowed to patrol the lots.
 
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i think this cantwell guy has an operation in halifax too, rings a bell

sadly the police there seem to tolerate it whereas edmonton has adopted a harder stance
 
$300 for parking there wtf? At best they should be forced to pay the full fee for parking there and that's it.
 
$300 for parking there wtf? At best they should be forced to pay the full fee for parking there and that's it.

i think part of the problem is that it isn't paid parking to begin with, generally dedicated free parking belonging to a given business
 
Do you think that car booting should be considered a consensual interaction on private property or criminal extortion?

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/denver-boot-legal-1.4061275

Edmonton parking enforcement firm waging battle with police over use of Denver Boot
Owners have been jailed for using wheel immobilization device, which police say amounts to mischief

...

In a written statement, EPS Detective John McConnell states that use of the boot is a criminal act. "There's the act of mischief to another person's vehicle by rendering it inoperable. A second criminal charge of extortion may be appropriate when the vehicle owner is approached in the lot and forced to pay a fee before the device is removed."

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Cantwell maintains what he is doing is legal because the lots RFM patrol are private property and anyone who parks in them is entering into a legal contract to abide by the rules. Those rules are spelled out on signs both at the entrance, and within parking lots.

"If there's a sign in a parking lot, it's your job to read the sign," he explains. "You get out of your car and read the sign. You make your decision whether or not you belong there. If it turns out you get booted because you read the sign and decided to ignore it — it's your own fault."

In Edmonton, RFM is charging drivers $300 plus tax to have the device taken off of their cars.

But his interpretation of the law has never been tested in a Canadian court. The only case law authorities can cite comes from a 1992 decision in Scotland's version of the Supreme Court. It found use of the boot to be a form of extortion, stating: "It is illegal for vehicles to be held to ransom."

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$300 is a ridiculous fine to have to pay.
 
i think part of the problem is that it isn't paid parking to begin with, generally dedicated free parking belonging to a given business

Oh I see so it's parking for a company and people are parking in it. Man that's a weird one then. Either way $300 is way overboard. At the same time a lot of people do this shit in Houston as well just park anywhere and not give a fuck about the consequences.
 
If you owed anyone else money, they could not boot your car, but the government can.
 
in Scotland no private company is allowed to put a clamp(boot) onto your car..... only governments have the authority. So if a private company does we just cut them off lol

I think its different in England, but Im not sure
 
That's fascinating. Do they allow them to tow the cars away instead? Which, to me, amounts to the same thing.
 
$300 is a ridiculous fine to have to pay.

$300 for parking there wtf? At best they should be forced to pay the full fee for parking there and that's it.
The fine for fare evasion on Edmonton's public transit is $250.

From: https://www.edmonton.ca/ets/using-the-lrt.aspx
"Random checks for proof of payment will be made, so be sure to have yours handy. There's a $250 fine for fare evasion."

I made a thread about a man who couldn't pay the fine and was sentenced to spend 3 days in custody where he was caged with one bed and a man determined to be violently insane by onsite professional staff.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...t-fine-killed-by-mentally-ill-inmate.3006585/

Is the transit fine also ridiculous?
 
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Don't see how this isn't the literal definition of extorsion

Pay us $300 or you won't be able to use your $10-30k object again
 
What would the counter charge be if an owner took a bus home and back again and cut the boot off?
 
If you beat the guy down who installs these that should be defense of property
 
in Scotland no private company is allowed to put a clamp(boot) onto your car..... only governments have the authority. So if a private company does we just cut them off lol

I think its different in England, but Im not sure

We're the same , doesn't stop the pricks putting tickets on your windscreen though .
 
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