CAPTAIN MARVEL v.2 (First Critics Reviews)

[method115]

There are female empowerment undertones with both the trailer and how they market this outside the trailers. Not to mention the history of the character in the comics. The villain in the newest iteration of her solo comic is pretty much the embodiment of "The Patriarchy".


The Russos have misdirected, yes, but the majority of the time, what they show/tell us is what happens.

So how do you know what the Russos/Feige/others have said about her character is merely hype and not true?

Yes they also marketed the black panther movie to the African American community and it made them more than all there other movies even IW (I think ). So can you really blame them for trying to do the same thing with Captain Marvel? When the movie came out though what did we see? A very racist black community that was letting their own people die while they hide and they had to learn\grow to become better people.

I don't know for sure no one does. I have seen all the movies and I see no reason for them to completely go a different direction then they have in the last 10 years over one new marvel hero. I just trust that this movie will be the same as all the other Avenger movies. Big threat comes, Avengers team up, everyone works together to take down bad guy.

 

[method115]

No, but my money is on her being the Dues Ex Machina that the Avengers must have to beat Thantos, rather than all the Avengers being whipped out.

Since Chris Evans hasn't renewed his contract to still play Captain America, he's probably going to be killed off and Captain Marvel will take his place in equal standing within The Avengers.

If I am wrong, I'll be very very happy.

I believe she'll be one piece towards the over all puzzle. Ant Man and the Quantum Realm will without a doubt play a big role in the movie as well.

 

[MikeMcMann]

No, but my money is on her being the Dues Ex Machina that the Avengers must have to beat Thantos, rather than all the Avengers being whipped out.

Since Chris Evans hasn't renewed his contract to still play Captain America, he's probably going to be killed off and Captain Marvel will take his place in equal standing within The Avengers.

If I am wrong, I'll be very very happy.

They don't need to resort to Dues Ex Machina to beat Thanos. He is powerful but in a universe where Ant Man, Dr Strange and Thanos have access to time travel, that is a valid part of this universe and a way to win and restore things. If Thanos can use time reversal to get the Stone from Vision certainly the hero's can use it to go back farther and thwart him. I would find that lazy to make it that simple but its not Deus Ex machina in that instance as its a known part of the universe.

Anyway the point is none of know what the Russo's/Feige have planned so its not on any of us to present our guesses as anything more and to get too rustled by mere guesses is silly. There guys have earned the good will expectation to do it right. We can all be outraged after if they don't.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I believe she'll be one piece towards the over all puzzle. Ant Man and the Quantum Realm will without a doubt play a big role in the movie as well.

I highly doubt she'll just be 'one of the team' or just 'a piece of the puzzle.'

The post-credit scene of Infinite War was dedicated to hyping her character's role in Endgame, and her origin movie is being released two months before Endgame.

She's going to be the deciding factor in defeating Thantos.

 

[Horse Style]

Yes they also marketed the black panther movie to the African American community and it made them more than all there other movies even IW (I think ). So can you really blame them for trying to do the same thing with Captain Marvel? When the movie came out though what did we see? A very racist black community that was letting their own people die while they hide and they had to learn\grow to become better people.

Marketed with what? Hip hop music? The movie was about civil war in Wakanda. That isn't something African-Americans can relate to.

The movie was hyped because it was the first mainstream superhero movie with a predominant black cast. That's not the same marketing with Captain Marvel.

I don't know for sure no one does. I have seen all the movies and I see no reason for them to completely go a different direction then they have in the last 10 years over one new marvel hero. I just trust that this movie will be the same as all the other Avenger movies. Big threat comes, Avengers team up, everyone works together to take down bad guy.

They have told the truth in their marketing more often than they haven't so it's logical to believe what they say until we have a reason not to.

Over the last 10 years, they've changed it up several times. Re-imagining the Mandarin. Going full-blown magic with Doctor Strange (they said it was science in the first Thor movie). Taking a gamble with GOTG. Changing Ultron's connection to the Avengers as well as changing his character a bit.

 

[Horse Style]

I believe she'll be one piece towards the over all puzzle. Ant Man and the Quantum Realm will without a doubt play a big role in the movie as well.

How do you know this?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

They don't need to resort to Dues Ex Machina to beat Thanos. He is powerful but in a universe where Ant Man, Dr Strange and Thanos have access to time travel, that is a valid part of this universe and a way to win and restore things. If Thanos can use time reversal to get the Stone from Vision certainly the hero's can use it to go back farther and thwart him. I would find that lazy to make it that simple but its not Deus Ex machina in that instance as its a known part of the universe.

Anyway the point is none of know what the Russo's/Feige have planned so its not on any of us to present our guesses as anything more and to get too rustled by mere guesses is silly. There guys have earned the good will expectation to do it right. We can all be outraged after if they don't.

I think you're wrong, but I hope your right.

Don't mistake me, I hope Endgame is awesome.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

How do you know this?

No one 'knows' anything yet.

We're all speculating.

No need to start a flame war.

 

[Horse Style]

No one 'knows' anything yet.

We're all speculating.

No need to start a flame war.

I'm not.

What I was getting at is @method115 saying, with certainty, that Antman / Quantum Realm will play a large role but discounts when people take the directors word when they tell us the direction they're taking a character.

I don't have anything against method115 but there are inconsistencies with his viewpoint

 

[method115]

Marketed with what? Hip hop music? The movie was about civil war in Wakanda. That isn't something African-Americans can relate to.

The movie was hyped because it was the first mainstream superhero movie with a predominant black cast. That's not the same marketing with Captain Marvel.


They have told the truth in their marketing more often than they haven't so it's logical to believe what they say until we have a reason not to.

Over the last 10 years, they've changed it up several times. Re-imagining the Mandarin. Going full-blown magic with Doctor Strange (they said it was science in the first Thor movie). Taking a gamble with GOTG. Changing Ultron's connection to the Avengers as well as changing his character a bit.

I saw marketing saying BP was the first black Marvel Super hero everyone saw it. It was a major talking point in the BP thread. It's the same IMO they are targeting an audience. They targeting African Americans with BP and they are targeting women with Captain Marvel.

I'm not saying it's not logical to believe them people certainly can if they want to I just don't believe it. Yes they've changed things up over the years but at the end of the day the Avenger movies have always been the team coming\working together to eliminate a threat. Captain Marvel will not be doing this a lone and anyone who thinks she is going to solo Thanos well I don't even know what to say to that person.

 

[method115]

I'm not.

What I was getting at is @method115 saying, with certainty, that Antman / Quantum Realm will play a large role but discounts when people take the directors word when they tell us the direction they're taking a character.

I don't have anything against method115 but there are inconsistencies with his viewpoint

I thought it was obvious this is all speculation as one has seen the movie. Anyways I highly believe this because of the way Antman ended,from the scenes I saw in the trailer, and talks of being able to time travel in the Quantum Realm. Leads me to believe it will be a big part of End Game.

 

[Horse Style]

I saw marketing saying BP was the first black Marvel Super hero everyone saw it. It was a major talking point in the BP thread. It's the same IMO they are targeting an audience. They targeting African Americans with BP and they are targeting women with Captain Marvel.

That's not really targeting the AA community. Black Panther's story predominantly involving black characters is just from the source material. They pretty much marketed like a regular MCU movie. It just had the added benefit of making mainstream film history.

The Captain Marvel marketing as a whole is putting a lot of focus on her being a woman.

I'm not saying it's not logical to believe them people certainly can if they want to I just don't believe it. Yes they've changed things up over the years but at the end of the day the Avenger movies have always been the team coming\working together to eliminate a threat. Captain Marvel will not be doing this a lone and anyone who thinks she is going to solo Thanos well I don't even know what to say to that person.

I have yet to see anyone who says they think she will.

 

[Horse Style]

I thought it was obvious this is all speculation as one has seen the movie. Anyways I highly believe this because of the way Antman ended,from the scenes I saw in the trailer, and talks of being able to time travel in the Quantum Realm. Leads me to believe it will be a big part of End Game.

Kinda similar (in hype) to how Infinity War ended. Nick Fury, in a panic, sending a distress signal straight to Captain Marvel and no one else.

 

[method115]

Kinda similar (in hype) to how Infinity War ended. Nick Fury, in a panic, sending a distress signal straight to Captain Marvel and no one else.

Yes I never said Captain Marvel would not be in the movie and play a role in defeating Thanos. I just don't believe she is going to outshine all the Avengers.

I believe the Quantum Realm and Marvel will be big help in defeating Thanos but I don't believe it's Marvels power that will help her win. The Avengers don't need more power Thor already proved he can take out Thanos. They need something else.

 

[Horse Style]

Yes I never said Captain Marvel would not be in the movie and play a role in defeating Thanos. I just don't believe she is going to outshine all the Avengers.

I believe the Quantum Realm and Marvel will be big help in defeating Thanos but I don't believe it's Marvels power that will help her win. The Avengers don't need more power Thor already proved he can take out Thanos. They need something else.

The QR was introduced at the end of Antman 2 and you think it will play a big, important role in Avengers 4. Fair enough. It's a valid theory.

But the end of Avengers 3 was focused on Captain Marvel so that means you should think Captain Marvel will also play a big, important role in Avengers 4. Probably even more so since it was a scene in an Avengers movie.

 

[minute bull]

Oh I am spinning this politically?

Me?

Not Bree Larson, or the tweeters posted?

I'm the problem here?

No, I'm not a movie reviewer, I'm just a guy posting my opinion on a message forum. I wouldn't be threatened in this situation, but actual published movie reviewers could feel threatened by possible backlash if they give an honest assessment.

There is no problem, and even if there was, no, you wouldn't be the problem.

What I am saying is that it seems like you're playing into what you think they want (and condemn them for) -- which is to assume the illusion of being politically topical. You complete their narrative, and that's not a judgment call against you or anyone. I just wonder to what end?

When I see forwarded tweets and links and headlines, with either good or bad commentary, all I see is someone promoting a thing. That's what politics is: spinning narratives onto reality and getting people to play along. I'm not really sure what narrative you're trying to assign because at its worst -- that SJWs have taken over and run amok, correct me if I'm wrong and shit's even worser than that -- it doesn't seem all that bad. Did they ruin this one movie? There's gonna be another movie. It's not like movies are being taken away, or SJW films are replacing movies that haven't been made.

 

[method115]

The QR was introduced at the end of Antman 2 and you think it will play a big, important role in Avengers 4. Fair enough. It's a valid theory.

But the end of Avengers 3 was focused on Captain Marvel so that means you should think Captain Marvel will also play a big, important role in Avengers 4. Probably even more so since it was a scene in an Avengers movie.

Well actually the QR was pretty much what the whole Antman movie was about. It wasn't introduced at the end. They also showed in the trailers Antman at Captain Americas house\base in the van that has the QR machine in it. There was also speculation that the video Captain America saw of Antman was from the past and not the present.

Captain Marvel I haven't seen the movie yet so maybe I'll get more info then but I've seen much more QR confirmation than I have Captain Marvel. Then again the trailers can all be BS at this point as we've already seen before. I do think she will play a big role but I also believe all the other Avengers will to.

 

[Horse Style]

Well actually the QR was pretty much what the whole Antman movie was about. It wasn't introduced at the end. They also showed in the trailers Antman at Captain Americas house\base in the van that has the QR machine in it. There was also speculation that the video Captain America saw of Antman was from the past and not the present.

Captain Marvel I haven't seen the movie yet so maybe I'll get more info then but I've seen much more QR confirmation than I have Captain Marvel. Then again the trailers can all be BS at this point as we've already seen before. I do think she will play a big role but I also believe all the other Avengers will to.

How do you know the QR isn't a setup for Antman 3? You seem pretty sure it plays a major role in Endgame just because the van shows up in the trailer.

But you go with "well, we don't know for sure" with the Captain Marvel hype even though she had a big build-up starting in Infinity War and continuing with the media hype.

Again, no one is saying the OGs won't do anything. Fans just don't want to see a new character come out of nowhere and steal the show like they've been implying.

 

[method115]

How do you know the QR isn't a setup for Antman 3? You seem pretty sure it plays a major role in Endgame just because the van shows up in the trailer.

But you go with "well, we don't know for sure" with the Captain Marvel hype even though she had a big build-up starting in Infinity War and continuing with the media hype.

Again, no one is saying the OGs won't do anything. Fans just don't want to see a new character come out of nowhere and steal the show like they've been implying.

I don't know for sure but there is already talks of them having suits for the Quantum realm.

https://screenrant.com/endgame-thory-ant-man-wasp-city-avengers-villains/
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-endgame-merch-reveals-new-look-quantum-realm-suits/

In this article they are talking about Thanos not even being the only villain which makes sense. In one of the IW comics after Thanos wins another "villian" or something like that comes in to take over our universe because we are weak from losing so many people. This would actually be a great story line. Like I said before we already saw Thor can beat Thanos with his new axe. So the Avengers finally finishing the job wouldn't be surprising and they wouldn't need Captain Marvels help to do it. This new threat though? That could make things interesting.

All of this stuff above is why I'm so much more positive about the Quantum Realm. Things I've been reading online and the toys\costumes. I haven't seen as much information on what Captain Marvels role will be other than the hype they are delivering.

 

[Horse Style]

I don't know for sure but there is already talks of them having suits for the Quantum realm.

https://screenrant.com/endgame-thory-ant-man-wasp-city-avengers-villains/
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-endgame-merch-reveals-new-look-quantum-realm-suits/

In this article they are talking about Thanos not even being the only villain which makes sense. In one of the IW comics after Thanos wins another "villian" or something like that comes in to take over our universe because we are weak from losing so many people. This would actually be a great story line. Like I said before we already saw Thor can beat Thanos with his new axe. So the Avengers finally finishing the job wouldn't be surprising and they wouldn't need Captain Marvels help to do it. This new threat though? That could make things interesting.

All of this stuff above is why I'm so much more positive about the Quantum Realm. Things I've been reading online and the toys\costumes. I haven't seen as much information on what Captain Marvels role will be other than the hype they are delivering.

How do you know those suits aren't misdirections? How do you know the talks of Thanos not being the only villain isn't also misdirection?

You know those lyin' Russos. Can't trust em