Law Cannabis is not reducing opioid deaths

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Contrary to sensationalized news reporting and public opinion, a study out of Stanford published a few days ago in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that legalization and broader access to cannabis has not has a positive effect on opioid overdose death rates. Legalized marijuana was actually associated with a 23% increase in overdose deaths.

I suspected the initial hype of the 2014 JAMA study was too good to be true. Many people were drawing causal conclusions based on ecological correlations.


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You know not linking the study is sort of like not posting pics in a boobs thread...

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Always nice to hear a pharmacists thoughts on cannabis!
 
I don't think it ever was going to. I don't think doctors are using weed as an alternative for opiods. The gateway drug thing being nonsense cuts both ways, weed use isn't really connected at all with heavier stuff or an alternative to it. Off of anecdotal experience, people who've struggled with opiods have not been former potheads, open to stats that contradict that.
 
Lubaolong said:
Contrary to sensationalized news reporting and public opinion, a study out of Stanford published a few days ago in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that legalization and broader access to cannabis has not has a positive effect on opioid overdose death rates. Legalized marijuana was actually associated with a 23% increase in overdose deaths.

I suspected the initial hype of the 2014 JAMA study was too good to be true. Many people were drawing causal conclusions based on ecological correlations.
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Legalized Cannabis because that’s what it is;is responsible for a 23% go fuck your self troll...
 
Lawless People said:
Why the fuck are you drunk and posting this stuff? Go grab some asses ffs! Maybe bowling ball a chick
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Flew in this afternoon for some shit tomorrow. Hit up the hotel bar to pass the time. Watched a shitty movie on HBO. :)
 
Lubaolong said:
Not my usual style, but I’m posting from my phone, drunk in a hotel room. Just Google it.
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It's all good, I caught the STAT coverage of the findings a few days ago.

Not too surprising for me, though I understand the pushback after the publicizing of the 2014 study. It always seemed suspicious to me that the link between opioid prescriptions and overdoses was being leant upon so heavily, when the deaths are so frequently from synthetic opioids instead.
 
Tycho Brah said:
It always seemed suspicious to me that the link between opioid prescriptions and overdoses was being leant upon so heavily, when the deaths are so frequently from synthetic opioids instead.
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Many prescription opioids are synthetic. I assume you mean some guy in a lab in China making carfentanil? People don’t just wake up one day and overdose on a bad batch of heroin. Probably 90% of IV heroin users start with prescription pain pills.
 
Lubaolong said:
Many prescription opioids are synthetic. I assume you mean some guy in a lab in China making carfentanil?
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Right, I just meant it as a shorthand classification that includes fentanyl and heroin too.

People don’t just wake up one day and overdose on a bad batch of heroin. Probably 90% of IV heroin users start with prescription pain pills.
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I'm not saying there's no link, but rather that the hopes about medical marijuana as an opioid substitute seemed largely founded on misplaced assumptions about the lethality of prescribed opioids. The consequence being the hypothesis that replacing the prescriptions with MJ would have a direct effect on overdose deaths.

I would expect some downstream effects maybe in the longer term for the prescriptions that never got started: that would be good news. But the rest of the picture for current addicts is more complicated.

At least, that was my initial reaction to the old news. Why did you have doubts about it?
 
It doesn't trigger the same areas of the brain. Nicotine does. Cheaper cigarettes or heat not burn would be a viable option for opioid users
 
Lubaolong said:
Contrary to sensationalized news reporting and public opinion, a study out of Stanford published a few days ago in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that legalization and broader access to cannabis has not has a positive effect on opioid overdose death rates. Legalized marijuana was actually associated with a 23% increase in overdose deaths.

I suspected the initial hype of the 2014 JAMA study was too good to be true. Many people were drawing causal conclusions based on ecological correlations.
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You sound like my Indian doctor who refused to prescribe me antibiotics for a lung infection even though I had 2-3 before that one, refuses to prescribed me codeine/promethazine all because I said I smoked weed. I hit up my moms doctor , same Kaiser company, and she instantly prescribed me both based on just my lung sounds and capacity. This Indian lady figured my Indian ass is hardy enough to survive on albuterol because that's how they do it in India. She also tried to convince me on every single negative hyperbole surrounding cannabis side effects and its use. Show me any articles that even prove grey matter, hypothamlus, amdyala or the limbic system, for that matter, have any discrepancies between those who use and don't use because there aren't any. All the new cross-longitudinal studies contradict all the olds studies that don't even take into account all the outside variables in play like demographics, religion, income, etc. If you already have shitty memory functions or are genetically predisposed to them then cannabis use will exacerbate those symptoms but there is no way cannabis use is the direct result of increased suicides. That's just dumb, it might be comorbid. Sounds like you're just an old fart.
 
ElKarlo said:
It doesn't trigger the same areas of the brain. Nicotine does. Cheaper cigarettes or heat not burn would be a viable option for opioid users
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The preplanned use of all drugs and things that produce chemicals (serotonin) in our brains will give you an anticipation high (dopamine). It's an ACTH agonist so it produces a calming effect by stopping the reuptake during the negative feedback loop.
 
Lubaolong said:
Contrary to sensationalized news reporting and public opinion, a study out of Stanford published a few days ago in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that legalization and broader access to cannabis has not has a positive effect on opioid overdose death rates. Legalized marijuana was actually associated with a 23% increase in overdose deaths.

I suspected the initial hype of the 2014 JAMA study was too good to be true. Many people were drawing causal conclusions based on ecological correlations.
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It's actually proven that cannabis reduces opioid frequency and magnitude of use. You know bro I went to college. I took a physics class bro. I got an a in it bro, so maybe I might bro, bro.
 
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