Law Canada's Looming Constitutional Crisis

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For the 'Mericans, Canada essentially has two different Constitutional documents:

1. The British North-America Act of 1867; and
2. The Constitution Act, 1982, which contains the all-important "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" aka the "Charter"

The Charter guarantees certain rights to Canadian citizens (ie: equality, freedom of expression, etc.)

However, not all provinces were on board with the Charter as originally proposed. Quebec, in particular, was concerned that if the Charter was adopted, its ability to preserve its French culture through laws would be impaired.

This led to a significant compromise: Section 33 of the Charter, also known as the notwithstanding clause.

The notwithstanding clause permits the provincial and federal governments to invoke Charter-infringing legislation as long as they simultaneously invoke the notwithstanding clause as part of the legislation.

It suffices to say that for the past 40 years, Quebec has used the notwithstanding clause liberally to protect French language rights and culture, and openly discriminate against anglophones. In practice, many would also accuse the Quebec government of passing anti-Muslim legislation under the guise of promoting secularism.

In 2019, Quebec invoked the notwithstanding clause and passed legislation "Bill 21" banning the wearing of masks or face coverings by civil servants. Again, ostensibly, this was done to promote secularism, but was clearly targeted against Muslims. Some further reading: https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/bill-21

Of course, a year later, Quebec would be mandating mask use due to COVID-19, with this satire article hilariously exposing Quebec's hypocrisy: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/05/quebec-suddenly-fine-with-people-covering-their-faces/

So what's the problem?

Bill 21 is now being challenged at the Supreme Court of Canada, which is not surprising. What is surprising is that the federal government has intervened in the case, and has argued that the way Quebec has been using the notwithstanding clause for the last 40 years is illegal, and the SCC needs to tell Quebec to stop.

Of course, Quebec would (correctly) say that it is only using the notwithstanding clause in the exact way that was negotiated, and was literally the only reason Quebec agreed to sign on to the Charter in the first place.

If the SCC rejects the federal government's position, sanity and order will be restored. However, if the SCC declares that Quebec has been improperly using the notwithstanding clause, the natural outcome will be Quebec (correctly) losing its mind, and undoubtedly calls that Quebec wants out of the Charter (if not Canada entirely.)
 
Here is the important paragraph from the link: The public, however, appeared to broadly support this new law. A survey conducted by the Government of Quebec several days before the introduction of Bill 21 showed that a majority of the population was in favour of prohibiting the wearing of religious symbols by civil service employees in positions of authority.

The idea that it was Muslim discrimination doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless they are ONLY banning Muslim religious symbols. I'm not sure what the Covid masks even have to do with it- right or wrong, it was a public health measure, not a religious symbol.
 
Quebec trying to show the US what fascism is; banning public display of prayers and eliminating gender neutral language from public services...all to preserve cultural nationalistic identity of the frogs. This is on top of Bill 21.

I mean...I still support their efforts but Liberals were essentially propped up by Quebec. So let's see how the pussyfoot the issue
 
Quebec trying to show the US was fascism is; banning public display of prayers and eliminating gender neutral language from public services...all to preserve cultural nationalistic identity of the frogs. This is on top of Bill 21.
I don't typically agree with much the French do, but I have to say they got that right. They are the only province, sadly, that tries to preserve their own culture and it is well within their rights to do so.
 
I don't typically agree with much the French do, but I have to say they got that right. They are the only province, sadly, that tries to preserve their own culture and it is well within their rights to do so.
It seems to be popular there to maintain their culture; if those are the laws people want, I don't see a problem. Curious how that only gets criticized with white Western countries; they are demonized while those in Asia, the Middle East, etc. are all "just maintaining their culture," and we should respect it.
 
I don't typically agree with much the French do, but I have to say they got that right. They are the only province, sadly, that tries to preserve their own culture and it is well within their rights to do so.

I absolutely agree but it just reflects the absurdity that is Canadian meekness. To placate the frogs they get over representation in government, a federally recognized sovereignty party that only one province can vote for, 50% of all federal welfare transfers AND the ability to discriminate against protected groups...all while the Liberals kiss their ass to stay in power.
 
I absolutely agree but it just reflects the absurdity that is Canadian meekness. To placate the frogs they get over representation in government, a federally recognized sovereignty party that only one province can vote for, 50% of all federal welfare transfers AND the ability to discriminate against protected groups...all while the Liberals kiss their ass to stay in power.
It is an interesting situation they have managed to create for themselves.
 
Good. Fuck Quebec.

Get em outta here. They've been nothing but a continual thorn in the side of progress for the country.

This is what happens when you let 2nd place hang around.
 
I mean , you shouldn't be able to conceal your identity in public. So good on Quebec. You can argue that this will punish the women that are slaves to a religion that forces this but that's beyond the point.
 

For the 'Mericans, Canada essentially has two different Constitutional documents:

1. The British North-America Act of 1867; and
2. The Constitution Act, 1982, which contains the all-important "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" aka the "Charter"

The Charter guarantees certain rights to Canadian citizens (ie: equality, freedom of expression, etc.)

However, not all provinces were on board with the Charter as originally proposed. Quebec, in particular, was concerned that if the Charter was adopted, its ability to preserve its French culture through laws would be impaired.

This led to a significant compromise: Section 33 of the Charter, also known as the notwithstanding clause.

The notwithstanding clause permits the provincial and federal governments to invoke Charter-infringing legislation as long as they simultaneously invoke the notwithstanding clause as part of the legislation.

It suffices to say that for the past 40 years, Quebec has used the notwithstanding clause liberally to protect French language rights and culture, and openly discriminate against anglophones. In practice, many would also accuse the Quebec government of passing anti-Muslim legislation under the guise of promoting secularism.

In 2019, Quebec invoked the notwithstanding clause and passed legislation "Bill 21" banning the wearing of masks or face coverings by civil servants. Again, ostensibly, this was done to promote secularism, but was clearly targeted against Muslims. Some further reading: https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/bill-21

Of course, a year later, Quebec would be mandating mask use due to COVID-19, with this satire article hilariously exposing Quebec's hypocrisy: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/05/quebec-suddenly-fine-with-people-covering-their-faces/

So what's the problem?

Bill 21 is now being challenged at the Supreme Court of Canada, which is not surprising. What is surprising is that the federal government has intervened in the case, and has argued that the way Quebec has been using the notwithstanding clause for the last 40 years is illegal, and the SCC needs to tell Quebec to stop.

Of course, Quebec would (correctly) say that it is only using the notwithstanding clause in the exact way that was negotiated, and was literally the only reason Quebec agreed to sign on to the Charter in the first place.

If the SCC rejects the federal government's position, sanity and order will be restored. However, if the SCC declares that Quebec has been improperly using the notwithstanding clause, the natural outcome will be Quebec (correctly) losing its mind, and undoubtedly calls that Quebec wants out of the Charter (if not Canada entirely.)
Thanks for this thread. A part of me hopes that losing the Supreme Court case triggers a Quebec separation. I would rather Alberta be second than first to separate. The best solution for me would be decentralization of power from Ottawa back to the provinces.
 
Good luck having a functioning country without any of the federally owned land and resources
Good luck keeping it without a functional military

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Is that Tugboat on the right? I feel like I should know these guys.

My mind is totally on the Rougeau Brothers though....they were fun to hate.

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The guy on the left is the same in both pictures - Jacques Rougeau - the guy on the right in your picture is the older Raymond Rougeau, the one in mine is Jean Pierre Lafitte/Pierre Ouelette, who still wrestles believe it or not!
 
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