Social Canada truckers against vaccine mandates thread V2

[Ares Black]

No thanks, I’m good

No, you really aren't, since you clearly don't understand why almost every country in the world has imposed vaccine mandates.

I'll give you a hint: it's because smarter people than you realize that it's the most effective and ethical way to manage the pandemic.

You'd understand it a bit better if you read the article written by bioethicists. It's very well explained.

Or you could continue to be ignorant with your head up your ass.

 

[ElKarlo]

Ah, so you're a hypocrite.

Taking the deadly vaccine that is ruining people's lives.

You do know we are in a global pandemic, right? And that vaccine mandates are the most effective way to get morons to take the vaccine that they would be taking if they weren't morons, right?

If these morons were responsible and got vaccinated (like us, Sherbro!), then there would be no need for mandates.

Unfortunately we have people like @GoldenWolf87 and @Papi Chulo (and the so-called Freedom Convoy) spreading misinformation, undermining the efforts of non- morons to mitigate the worst effects of the pandemic.

And so we have mandates.

Got any more of them articles written by LITERAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

You seriously don’t even know what hypocrite means. I mean you wrap yourself in, but that’s because it’s out of ignorance. It’s clear though that you have no idea what freedom is nor what civil society should consist of. You and all the “govern me harder daddy” types really have nothing besides
Nazi
Racist
Russia

try making an argument next time
Edit
Actually you are a coward that wants other people to do something to ale you safer. You’re willing to give up freedom in order for a slightly higher chance of being safe. Because you’re a coward and are a selfish child

 

[Ares Black]

You seriously don’t even know what hypocrite means. I mean you wrap yourself in, but that’s because it’s out of ignorance. It’s clear though that you have no idea what freedom is nor what civil society should consist of. You and all the “govern me harder daddy” types really have nothing besides
Nazi
Racist
Russia

try making an argument next time
Edit
Actually you are a coward that wants other people to do something to ale you safer. You’re willing to give up freedom in order for a slightly higher chance of being safe. Because you’re a coward and are a selfish child

Not my fault you have been actively ignoring all of my valid arguments.

 

[el feo]

No, you really aren't, since you clearly don't understand why almost every country in the world has imposed vaccine mandates.

I'll give you a hint: it's because smarter people than you realize that it's the most effective and ethical way to manage the pandemic.

You'd understand it a bit better if you read the article written by bioethicists. It's very well explained.

Or you could continue to be ignorant with your head up your ass.

Door #2 it is !

 

[ElKarlo]

Not my fault you have been actively ignoring all of my valid arguments.

What valid points? Muh racism? I’m ignoring your all over the place idiocy and whataboutisms. You don’t have a stance and it shows. You’re all over the place and can’t hold onto an argument that isn’t muh racism.

 

[Ares Black]

For the record, I am 100% against any more lockdowns. And I look forward to a time when life gets back to normal.

The most ethical and effective way to achieve that goal is through education, and also mandates.

 

[Ares Black]

What valid points? Muh racism? I’m ignoring your all over the place idiocy and whataboutisms. You don’t have a stance and it shows. You’re all over the place and can’t hold onto an argument that isn’t muh racism.

I have made lots of arguments about lots of things. You are ignoring them all because they are inconvenient to you.

 

[The_Renaissance]

And read this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-vaccine-mandate-hospitals-infection-omicron-illness-11642801859

Mandates are still ethical and effective, even with Omicron. Not sure why you guys want this pandemic to go on forever.

You're an awesome poster on MMA, but fuck me lad you don't half talk some fucking horseshit about covid-19.

YOUR COUNTRY wants the pandemic to go on forever - you have higher vaccination rates than most of the world, and those countries are returning to normal while your government refuses to let go of the reigns of authoritarianism.

You're still gonna be in this position in another year.

 

[Ares Black]

You're an awesome poster on MMA, but fuck me lad you don't half talk some fucking horseshit about covid-19.

YOUR COUNTRY wants the pandemic to go on forever - you have higher vaccination rates than most of the world, and those countries are returning to normal while your government refuses to let go of the reigns of authoritarianism.

You're still gonna be in this position in another year.

I hope you are wrong, and that in a year things are mostly back to normal.

But fighting the vaccine mandate will not help that happen.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Ah, so you're a hypocrite.

Taking the deadly vaccine that is ruining people's lives.

You do know we are in a global pandemic, right? And that vaccine mandates are the most effective way to get morons to take the vaccine that they would be taking if they weren't morons, right?

If these morons were responsible and got vaccinated (like us, Sherbro!), then there would be no need for mandates.

Unfortunately we have people like @GoldenWolf87 and @Papi Chulo (and the so-called Freedom Convoy) spreading misinformation, undermining the efforts of non- morons to mitigate the worst effects of the pandemic.

And so we have mandates.

Got any more of them articles written by LITERAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

I don't think it's hypocritical to get vaccinated and not believe in mandates. I'm vaccinated but I don't believe people should be forced to have one if they don't want to.

 

[Natural Order]

A very well articulated article about why vaccine mandates are ethical and unfortunately necessary:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20211029.682797/full/

By extension, why this "Freedom Convoy" is a bunch of fucking selfish babies.

You're literally ill, listen to yourself. You're justifying the same talking points and ethics some of the most vile people in history have used to subjugate others. Either you don't know shit about human history or your fear mechanisms have eliminated all common sense.

 

[Natural Order]

I don't think it's hypocritical to get vaccinated and not believe in mandates. I'm vaccinated but I don't believe people should be forced to have one if they don't want to.

You think @Ares Black, the fanatical frothing virtue-signaller, has nuance to their thought?

I'm the same my friend, chose to get vaccinated by would never even think of suggesting it be mandated given the data and knowledge we have now. It's disgusting behaviour fueled by his personal fears, nothing more, nothing less.

These things never reduced transmission and he bought the narrative of "save granny you selfish cunt" hook, line & sinker. How can you take anybody with such exaggerated opinions seriously?

 

[Ares Black]

I don't think it's hypocritical to get vaccinated and not believe in mandates. I'm vaccinated but I don't believe people should be forced to have one if they don't want to.

I don't think anyone should be forced, and obviously anyone who would be adversely affected by the vaccine should be exempt.

But being coerced is not exactly the same thing as being forced, and there is a very strong case to be made that mandates are the most ethical way to address the pandemic.

This article explains the rationale very well:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20211029.682797/full/

Basically, doing nothing is unethical, enforcing strict lockdowns is more harmful, and gently coercing the vaccine hesitant with mandates is the most ethical option to prevent a public health catastrophe.

Obviously, there are many different kinds of mandates, from vaccine passports to employment requirements to fines for noncompliance.

The exact nature of the best kinds of mandate is a matter of debate, but to stubbornly demand the end of all mandates while in a pandemic is asinine.

We may be approaching the phase of the pandemic where mandates are no longer required. Some experts think Omicron could be a blessing in disguise.

But we arent there yet, and occupying a city with unreasonable demands won't solve anything.

 

[Ares Black]

You're literally ill, listen to yourself. You're justifying the same talking points and ethics some of the most vile people in history have used to subjugate others. Either you don't know shit about human history or your fear mechanisms have eliminated all common sense.

Spoken like a man who didn't read the article.

 

[Ares Black]

You think @Ares Black, the fanatical frothing virtue-signaller, has nuance to their thought?

I'm the same my friend, chose to get vaccinated by would never even think of suggesting it be mandated given the data and knowledge we have now. It's disgusting behaviour fueled by his personal fears, nothing more, nothing less.

These things never reduced transmission and he bought the narrative of "save granny you selfish cunt" hook, line & sinker. How can you take anybody with such exaggerated opinions seriously?

No, it's based on rational thought and science.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Natural Order]

Spoken like a man who didn't read the article.

Buddy I was reading bioethicist papers on all aspects of lockdowns, masking, mandates LONG before COVID ever came around. It's amazing that you think any of this is new.

 

[Natural Order]

Listen to the panic in his posting, lol, dude is petrified of his existence.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I don't think anyone should be forced, and obviously anyone who would be adversely affected by the vaccine should be exempt.

But being coerced is not exactly the same thing as being forced, and there is a very strong case to be made that mandates are the most ethical way to address the pandemic.

This article explains the rationale very well:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20211029.682797/full/

Basically, doing nothing is unethical, enforcing strict lockdowns is more harmful, and gently coercing the vaccine hesitant with mandates is the most ethical option to prevent a public health catastrophe.

Obviously, there are many different kinds of mandates, from vaccine passports to employment requirements to fines for noncompliance.

The exact nature of the best kinds of mandate is a matter of debate, but to stubbornly demand the end of all mandates while in a pandemic is asinine.

We may be approaching the phase of the pandemic where mandates are no longer required. Some experts think Omicron could be a blessing in disguise.

But we arent there yet, and occupying a city with unreasonable demands won't solve anything.

I don't really have much of an opinion on the convoy, it doesn't really impact me so I'm kind of loosely following on here. In terms of the mandates though, we decided ultimately not to go with them over here and our figures have been dropping and life is back to normal.

 

[Ares Black]

These things never reduced transmission and he bought the narrative of "save granny you selfish cunt" hook, line & sinker. How can you take anybody with such exaggerated opinions seriously?

This is completely false.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211124-vaccines-reduce-covid-transmission-by-40-who

 

[Ares Black]

Buddy I was reading bioethicist papers on all aspects of lockdowns, masking, mandates LONG before COVID ever came around. It's amazing that you think any of this is new.

Lol. No you weren't.