Social Canada truckers against vaccine mandates thread V2

[Rational Poster]

Ah yes, asking a person to actually back up their claim is putting my head in the sand.



Rational's argument is a strawman to begin with, and funny enough, he was actually quoted as condoning these types of disrupt behaviors in the past in the context of BLM... the LEAST he can do is actually quote some of the comments that he claims underpin his entire premise.

You can literally read the thread that Hockey linked yourself if you cared so much.

 

[Rational Poster]

Thanks
Used to be you could see ignored people’s when quoted. Yeah I’m ignoring him and queen b. Can’t deal with the super woke. Gives me the yellows

Imagine being so far gone you think I am super woke.

 

[ElKarlo]

Yea, funny how that works, the lazy snowflakes support the mandates, and the normal working man doesn’t..

Yep. They like their limousine betters love policies that have no direct impact on them

 

[Damien Karras]

He was always going to get replaced, typically they wait until they know an election is going to be called in a year or just over. Which leads me to believe parties are expecting a major drop in public support and need to get their house in order

Not sure what the norm is.... you would think they would want at least 2 or 3 years of having the same guy in the news establishing a rapport with party members and th electorate. He or she would need to benefit from as much free publicity from the media. It's hard to establish all that in a year. Also, the process to nominate a new leader is lengthy. The problem with the CBC is the internal division. Harper managed to keep both factions together, but then Scheer and O'Toole haven't been able to follow suit. Would Harper come back? I think he could take Justin out.
I'm not a big fan of Trudeau at all and I think people here mistake me for a pro-Liberal. I pinched my nose in the last election by voting Green as a throwaway vote, but I don't want a CPC government under this kind of internal combustion and comprised of a sizable group of nutcases.

 

[DespicablePeep]

I believe the vax prevented transmission during Delta period

Not really, so much that breakthrough cases became a joke. Vaccines were not even specific for the Delta strain. Will be fun revisiting the data 5 years from now, when the pressure from Pfizer money runs out.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Lol oh the left. “Why don’t you believe us when we say bad things about you?”

Maybe because you guys lie and set up people all the time?

Any source for the nazi flag being an undercover officer? I’d like to read on that

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I mean, if you shorten it like that you can go to literally any thread about BLM and probably find conservatives calling them terrorists.

In the thread Hockey quoted I'm arguing with someone for multiple pages who thought they should be able to run over anyone who blocks traffic just because they are blocking traffic.

In that thread, you're arguing with someone who doesn't appear to even have an account here anymore (and even he specified the use of violence as a criteria).
So, again, who was saying that peaceful BLM protesters were terrorists while saying these Canadian truckers are not? Who are the inconsistent conservatives you referred to?

The reason you can go into most threads and find people calling BLM terrorists is because there was often violence associated with BLM protests, the violence was directed against the citizenry, and it was used as a method to compel political change. So... terrorism.
Are you considering honking horns to be an act of violence?

 

[ElKarlo]

Any source for the nazi flag being an undercover officer? I’d like to read on that

Working on it. Will def post source once I get it

 

[Rational Poster]

In that thread, you're arguing with someone who doesn't appear to even have an account here anymore (and even specified the use of violence as a criteria).
So, again, who was saying that peaceful BLM protesters were terrorists while saying these Canadian truckers are not? Who are the inconsistent conservatives you referred to?

The reason you can go into most threads and find people calling BLM terrorists is because there was often violence associated with BLM protests, the violence was directed against the citizenry, and it was used as a method to compel political change. So... terrorism.

This is violence as well. They're using hundreds of massive trucks to block traffic and intimidate citizens for weeks in an already strained logistics system and now they're blocking ports of entry. It's not like this is some cute one day protest. It's weeks now. How long should regular law abiding citizens tolerate this kind of law breaking?

Is this not terrorism?

 

[Wet Blanket]

His leadership came into question the day after the election. Now the rightmost members are finding him too soft of the convoy issue. The same people who wanted the Wet'suwet'en locked up en masse are bending over backwards to accommodate the convoy and their right to protest and disrupt the core of a capital city.

Thissssssss!!

 

[el feo]

Not really, so much that breakthrough cases became a joke. Vaccines were not even specific for the Delta strain. Will be fun revisiting the data 5 years from now, when the pressure from Pfizer money runs out.

I hate to think of this world in 5 years time ... it's already pretty fucked up

 

[jlagman]

This is violence as well. They're using hundreds of massive trucks to block traffic and intimidate citizens for weeks in an already strained logistics system and now they're blocking ports of entry.

Is this not terrorism?

Weeks?

 

[SKYNET]

This is violence as well. They're using hundreds of massive trucks to block traffic and intimidate citizens for weeks in an already strained logistics system and now they're blocking ports of entry. It's not like this is some cute one day protest. It's weeks now. How long should regular law abiding citizens tolerate this kind of law breaking?
Is this not terrorism?

 

[Rational Poster]

Weeks?

Yeah, the protest started on Jan. 22nd it's now Feb 1 with no end in sight.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Not sure what the norm is.... you would think they would want at least 2 or 3 years of having the same guy in the news establishing a rapport with party members and th electorate. He or she would need to benefit from as much free publicity from the media. It's hard to establish all that in a year. Also, the process to nominate a new leader is lengthy. The problem with the CBC is the internal division. Harper managed to keep both factions together, but then Scheer and O'Toole haven't been able to follow suit. Would Harper come back? I think he could take Justin out.
I'm not a big fan of Trudeau at all and I think people here mistake me for a pro-Liberal. I pinched my nose in the last election by voting Green as a throwaway vote, but I don't want a CPC government under this kind of internal combustion and comprised of a sizable group of nutcases.

Norm is leadership review every 2 years. Registered members like myself gets a heads up addressing that the party plans (which is after a losing election the leader will step down) Granted O'toole has been more stubborn about it but, he knew his time was up as soon as he lost, he just wanted his term so to speak to last into the 2023 review. Odds are MP's will get the 60 member support they need to have a secret ballet none confidence vote and odds are he will resign later this year. Good news is that hopefully the next leadership convention will get rid of ranked ballots and will go with a one person, one vote and weighted on electoral district (much faster process)

Trickiest issue is if JT continues to slip in the public support polls, NDP may be willing to join the PC in calling a non confidence vote, and next year could see an election. So leadership has to be addressed this year instead of the planned review next

 

[fdswer]

Streets are completely empty of people on foot, just trucks left.

 

[Rational Poster]

Streets are completely empty of people on foot, just trucks left.

Who would want to be?

Just driving next to one of those tractor trailers on a highway is scary enough. Who would want to be around hundreds of them in the middle of a city?

 

[Damien Karras]

Norm is leadership review every 2 years. Registered members like myself gets a heads up addressing that the party plans (which is after a losing election the leader will step down) Granted O'toole has been more stubborn about it but, he knew his time was up as soon as he lost, he just wanted his term so to speak to last into the 2023 review. Odds are MP's will get the 60 member support they need to have a secret ballet none confidence vote and odds are he will resign later this year. Good news is that hopefully the next leadership convention will get rid of ranked ballots and will go with a one person, one vote and weighted on electoral district (much faster process)

Trickiest issue is if JT continues to slip in the public support polls, NDP may be willing to join the PC in calling a non confidence vote, and next year could see an election. So leadership has to be addressed this year instead of the planned review next

Depending on what happens, I have a hard time imagining NDP voting alongside CPC on anythin, but maybe they would to force an election. We just had an election recently. Canadians don't want another one. Let's just do 3 or 3 and a half years at of a minority government. I'm all for change, but I can't with the current state of the CPC, sorry

 

[el feo]

Apologies if posted already...
Quebec scraps planned tax on the unvaccinated
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/vax-tax-nixed-1.6334828

SK premier came out on the weekend in support of the truckers and plans to lift restrictions soon

Maybe just maybe these protests are having an impact

 

[PrinceOfPain]

This is violence as well. They're using hundreds of massive trucks to block traffic and intimidate citizens for weeks in an already strained logistics system and now they're blocking ports of entry.

Is this not terrorism?

I'd say that there's certainly an argument to be made that this is an act of terrorism. But it's a weak one.
And, when one of the men who helped write your Charter of Freedoms is suing the government for acting in contravention of its own constitution, then it's just possible that the government has crossed a line. At the very least, it can be argued that it's reasonable for a man to believe that the government has crossed a line, and that defying the state is the only way to remain loyal to the nation and its spirit.

You can stretch the definition of violence to encompass this protest and the disruptions its caused, but it's not really comparable to some of the acts of savagery and vindictiveness with which BLM could be associated. Additionally, the truckers' demands are less actively destructive to the nation or its people than BLM's "defund the police" stupidity.