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Can we stop shitting on wrestlers now?

HHJ said:
Nate's timing off the jab is excellent. He stuns alot of people with combinations that they were not expecting to be there. The second hit here comes out of nowhere. That timing on the second punch is exactly how to turn brains into scrambled eggs.

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You have to admit, If Conor did not win that rematch he would be a washed up fighter. He never would have got that fight with Eddie, and never got that Mayweather fight.
 
IDGETKTFO said:
You have to admit, If Conor did not win that rematch he would be a washed up fighter. He never would have got that fight with Eddie, and never got that Mayweather fight.
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It would have been all over, roll up the circus tent lads.
 
hswrestler said:
yes
that being said, I do wonder what will happen if bjj was a NCAA sport.
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Hope that the gracies wont be able to influence it,if something like that happened. As far as the rules and regulations.
 
IDGETKTFO said:
I wouldn't consider Nate Diaz a gifted striker, but he stockton slapped the shit out of Conor till he panic wrestled, and Nate choked his ass till he tapped.
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Team diaz are all Gracie BJJ guys. I’m not sure I understand your point
 
hswrestler said:
The fighting style that produced the most champions by far. It would be nice to see how many came from a NCAA background. View attachment 874654

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https://mmasucka.com/2019/05/02/folkstyle-wrestling-ufc-champions/
Another estimation involving select wrestlers that wrestled in high school and all ncaa wrestlers. The final number is 33 champions (more than the number on the graph)
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Nope. Not until they bring back Pride rules and even the playing field. If you're gonna constantly shoot for takedowns with no repercussions and just dry hump the dude that's BS. The threat of a soccer kick, head stomp, or knee to the face will make you think twice about using wrestle f'ing as your main weapon. Plus more exciting fights.
 
I do whatever I want with my boyfriend
 
HHJ said:
Hope that the gracies wont be able to influence it,if something like that happened. As far as the rules and regulations.
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The gracies can definetely try, but economically the financial boosters behind any powerhouse athletic school are a much influential force than them as far as NCAA goes.
 
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VinceArch said:
The only people who hate on wrestling are idiotic dipshits who have never wrestled in their lives or dumb asses who should be watching felony fights or K1.
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Thanks!! Almost forgot about Felony Fights!
 
I had wrestled since 4th grade, you won't find me shitting on wrestlers unless they just lay and pray the whole fight. Otherwise I'm a huge fan. And I still believe they should implement stalling calls like in wrestling. Way too often a guy will be pinned along the fence without any action at all for long periods of time, stupid.
 
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HHJ said:
No one ever should.Learn some TDD,lads.

Aldo learned awesome defensive wrestling and is extremely difficult to take down,despite being a stand up fighter...whats everyone else's fucking excuse?
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That’s like saying everyone should be elite at something because one person is. Aldo is an anomaly. Most strikers with good defensive wrestling were wrestlers to begin with (e.g., Gaethje). And no matter how much TDD you train, a good wrestler will eventually find a way to get you down.

hswrestler said:
Also Khabib did make wrestlers look silly when he was still fighting. More of a testemant to his skill and Gaethje's lack of grappling than of the merits of wrestling.
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Khabib IS a wrestler. It’s just that his style is different from American wrestling. The Dagestani style combines freestyle with judo, sambo, and greco which gives guys like Khabib and Islam more weapons on the ground than pure wrestlers and BJJ guys.
 
First off, I think most knowledgeable fans of MMA recognize the effectiveness of wrestling... I think if there is a complaint it is not about the discipline as an art, but rather fighters who have zero attributes outside of wrestling...

There are lots of entertaining wrestlers... and then there is Ben Askren (types)... effective, but I would rather watch soup cool...

And for my money, I think wrestling is by far the single most important skill an MMA fighter should possess...
 
People know it’s effective they just find it boring
 
MrFreeze said:
You don't win fights with defensive actions, you dont even score points with them
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I tend to agree that TDD doesn't score points with some judges and takedowns do, they should be scored similarly imo.

But yes you can win fights with your defence, of course you can. You think Whittaker didn't win that fight against Jacare by keeping it on the feet? Or actually more accurately he got taken down at one point but used defensive wrestling to get back to his feet, then he beat the shit out of him.
 
TankAbbott4Eva said:
I tend to agree that TDD doesn't score points with some judges and takedowns do, they should be scored similarly imo.

But yes you can win fights with your defence, of course you can. You think Whittaker didn't win that fight against Jacare by keeping it on the feet? Or actually more accurately he got taken down at one point but used defensive wrestling to get back to his feet, then he beat the shit out of him.
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Of course he has integrated wrestling into his skillset, but that doesn't make him a wrestler as you said before
His base and primary style is his karate kick boxing, although he did mix in some great TD in his fight with Gastelum
 
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