Calzaghe vs Jones September 20 - Vegas GBP

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JOE CALZAGHE is in line to bring down the curtain on his career by fighting Roy Jones Jr in Las Vegas on September 20.

Calzaghe has been given the date after splitting with long-time promoter Frank Warren
 
The Sun said:
Kelly Pavlik is another name in the frame for Calzaghe.

But Pavlik wants to cash in on his new found world champion status and won't risk anything with a hard bout next.
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I wonder if the average British boxing fan believes this crap.
 
Hope this is true. It would be a solid ending to Joe's amazing career.
 
This would be an awesome fight assuming Roy comes to fight. If he shows up just to receive a paycheck and not get hurt(see Jones-Tarver 3), it will make for a very boring fight.
 
People don't want to hear this, but RJJ is a more difficult fight than Pavlik is.
 
mschatz said:
Based on what? Jones's stellar performances the last few years?
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Based on these facts:
  • Jones has more experience than Calzahge; Pavlik has much less
  • This is not the biggest fight of Roy Jones' career; it would be for Pavlik
  • Pavlik has no quality wins over top ranked opponents with good technique, Jones does
  • Pavlik has no wins over top ranked opponents with good speed, Jones does
  • Jones can contest with Calzhaghe's speed; Pavlik cannot
  • Jones has fought opponents up to HW and has been at LHW for years; Pavilk has never fought a guy over 165 pounds and has been at MW for years

So besides Jones being bigger, faster and more experienced I guess you're right--I really don't have much.
 
Breakfast Bar said:
Based on these facts:
  • Jones has more experience than Calzahge; Pavlik has much less
  • This is not the biggest fight of Roy Jones' career; it would be for Pavlik
  • Pavlik has no quality wins over top ranked opponents with good technique, Jones does
  • Pavlik has no wins over top ranked opponents with good speed, Jones does
  • Jones can contest with Calzhaghe's speed; Pavlik cannot
  • Jones has fought opponents up to HW and has been at LHW for years; Pavilk has never fought a guy over 165 pounds and has been at MW for years
So besides Jones being bigger, faster and more experienced I guess you're right--I really don't have much.
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You have some points. I believe the current version of Pavlik is better than the current version of RJJ.
  • Yes, RJJ fought at heavyweight. Once. Then moved back down to 175.
  • Pavlik is both taller and has a longer reach then both JRR and JC
  • A fight with Calzaghe may be considered a bigger fight than Pavlik's first with Jermaine Taylor, but not by such a large margin that we should expect Pavlik to all of a sudden get stage fright. Kelly has been cool as a fan night in, night out against all opponents. You're talking about a guy who got dropped in the 2nd round of shot at the title, weathered the storm, walked back to the corner and laughed. Your theory that somehow on this new stage, he's going to get jumpy is something that sounds good on paper, bu probably wont apply to this fighter.
  • Youre right, Pavlik hasnt fought anyone over 165. But do you really think that Calzaghe is going to show him something power-wise that he hasnt already seen? No way Cal hits harder than Jermaine Taylor or Edison Miranda.
  • Pavlik is even busier than Calzaghe at times if you look at punch stat numbers. And that means MUCH busier than Jones.
Like I said, you have some points, but I believe, and for good reason, that Cal picked RJJ because he's less risk with more reward than Pavlik
 
Fair analysis, Mschatz. It's not worth nitpicking on some of those points. I think every fighter does (and probably should) pick their fights based on risk and reward.

10 years from now when the debate about who the greates MW-LHW fighter of this era was, people are going to debate RJJ, Calzaghe and Hopkins (after throwing out Dariusz M and Ottke for not fighting in America). Ending his career with victories over those two is going to mean something, even if they are a bit past their sell-by dates and even if fights against less accomplished fighters like Mundine and Pavlik might be as hard (although I don't think they are).
 
Mr.pain said:
JOE CALZAGHE is in line to bring down the curtain on his career by fighting Roy Jones Jr in Las Vegas on September 20.

Calzaghe has been given the date after splitting with long-time promoter Frank Warren
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I will be rooting for Jones to lay the slap down.

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Another thing is if the article is right the fight would be on HBO a week after the JMM vs Casamayor PPV.
 
Breakfast Bar said:
Based on these facts:
  • Jones has more experience than Calzahge; Pavlik has much less
  • This is not the biggest fight of Roy Jones' career; it would be for Pavlik
  • Pavlik has no quality wins over top ranked opponents with good technique, Jones does
  • Pavlik has no wins over top ranked opponents with good speed, Jones does
  • Jones can contest with Calzhaghe's speed; Pavlik cannot
  • Jones has fought opponents up to HW and has been at LHW for years; Pavilk has never fought a guy over 165 pounds and has been at MW for years

So besides Jones being bigger, faster and more experienced I guess you're right--I really don't have much.
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i agree for the most part. I tried explaining to one of my friends that I think RJJ is tougher than Pavlik, especially at 175, but he would hear nothing of it. Pavlik is good, but he has a size advantage at 160 and Pavlik hasnt been in the ring with anyone as fast as Roy or Joe.
 
Does anyone know the history on Jones v Calzaghe, regarding possible fights over the years?
Also, what prevented them from materializing.

Weren't they almost going to fight in 2002?
 
Sadly, i believe it was 2000 they were going to fight....
 
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