California secessionist group gains key approval to go ahead with referendum. Possible vote in 2021

[Oceanmachine]

https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/california-secede-one-group-got-a-key-approval-last-week-to-try/

I was going to post this 2 days ago but got busy and forgot etc.

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One of the most well-known groups pushing for California to secede from the rest of the country got the OK from state officials last week to collect signatures for a secession question on a future ballot.

The news of the approval came on the heels of California's 170th “birthday,” or anniversary marking the day it became the 31st state in the union. If the signature collection by pro-independence group Yes California is successful, residents would, in an undetermined future election, decide whether to cast a “no confidence” vote in the United States and create a commission to evaluate the Golden State’s ability to govern itself.


The effort has become an evergreen conversation that seems to have only ramped up in recent years. A few of California’s rich and powerful, including venture capitalist Shervin Pishevar, have put their weight behind the idea, particularly after President Donald Trump’s 2016 election win.

“We can re-enter the union after California becomes a nation,” Pishevar told CNBC in 2016 as a direct response to Trump's election. “As the sixth largest economy in the world, the economic engine of the nation and provider of a large percentage of the federal budget, California carries a lot of weight.”

But little, if anything, has come of those efforts to date.

Most experts and pundits seem to agree it’s unlikely that secession is in California’s future, but others argue that if any state is going to do it, California could be a good bet, particularly as political divisions widen.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administrati...p20081-proposed-initiative-enters-circulation

 

[Oceanmachine]

Was also mentioned in a Vox podcast

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/22/21449...sion-supreme-court-senate-the-ezra-klein-show

 

[robotsonic]

Yes let's secede from the union because we don't like Trump, SMH.

This is mass hysteria like we've never seen in this country since Orson Welles read out War of the Worlds on the radio.

 

[tonni]

Trump would beg the richest state to rejoin.

 

[Prokofievian]

That's dumb. It's slightly less dumb than Albertans thinking being a land locked nation would be sweet, but it's still dumb.

 

[Beechwood]

The federal government doesn't rely upon taxes collected to determine it's spending. States are different though in that they can only borrow so much.

Sounds arrogant. I doubt the federal government would allow California to leave the union without a fight.

 

[Curmudgeon]

That's dumb. It's slightly less dumb than Albertans thinking being a land locked nation would be sweet, but it's still dumb.

I've never actually met anyone here in 25 years that seriously touts that other than the proverbial drunk town loons sitting at the end of a bar. The kind where the overweight barmaid in her 50's tells cleetus to stfu, he's had too much to drink.

 

[Prokofievian]

I've never actually met anyone here in 25 years that seriously touts that other than the proverbial drunk town loons sitting at the end of a bar.

You're in California or Alberta?

 

[Curmudgeon]

You're in California or Alberta?

AB

 

[Oceanmachine]

That's dumb. It's slightly less dumb than Albertans thinking being a land locked nation would be sweet, but it's still dumb.

Yeah that one I will never understand. Only would work if you also went with Yukon and Northwest territory, to have ocean access. That´s not to say that there are not a few powerful or rather decently respected landlocked states on earth. Its just usually they seem to be formed by losing a war, or breaking off from a larger oppressive or failing empire and then immediately seek a protector.

Landlocked

Trump would beg the richest state to rejoin.

Not sure, the GOP wouldnt want them back BUT they are a huge and successful economy and it is laughable when some in the GOP try and say its a failed state. California is a net contributor and benefit to the country, im not so sure that the deep south by the same token is.... Or some fly over states.

Below map is NOMINAL GDP, which I am not the biggest fan of but the point still remains.

 

[Prokofievian]

AB

Yeah, 3 generations of my family are 'bertan and I don't know if I've ever met a real live ''durrr we should secede so we can build pipelines durrrr'' in my life. But apparently they exist. Need to head out to Didsbury or some shit like that to find one, maybe.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Yeah, 3 generations of my family are 'bertan and I don't know if I've ever met a real live ''durrr we should secede so we can build pipelines durrrr'' in my life. But apparently they exist. Need to head out to Didsbury or some shit like that to find one, maybe.

Didsbury/Carstairs/Crossfield, somewhere around there. I just find it humorous when it gets brought up.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Yeah that one I will never understand. Only would work if you also went with Yukon and Northwest territory, to have ocean access. That´s not to say that there are not a few powerful or rather decently respected landlocked states on earth. Its just usually they seem to be formed by losing a war, or breaking off from a larger oppressive or failing empire and then immediately seek a protector.

Landlocked

Not sure, the GOP wouldnt want them back BUT they are a huge and successful economy and it is laughable when some in the GOP try and say its a failed state. California is a net contributor and benefit to the country, im not so sure that the deep south by the same token is.... Or some fly over states.

Below map is NOMINAL GDP, which I am not the biggest fan of but the point still remains.

interesting map.
Never realized there were that few landlocked countries

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

The federal government doesn't rely upon taxes collected to determine it's spending. States are different though in that they can only borrow so much.

Sounds arrogant. I doubt the federal government would allow California to leave the union without a fight.

If California is so rich, why are they bankrupt and such a mess?

 

[Ichibanner]

Trump would beg the richest state to rejoin.

Yes, the richest state that runs on a perpetual budget deficit. Hooray for California and its idiot leadership!

 

[robotsonic]

California generates a lot of wealth from tech and Hollywood that the state never sees a red cent of. It's all good talking about how much money they make but the State government has gone bankrupt multiple times in the last 40 years, that tells you everything you need to know. I mean a lot of it is mismanagement but a lot of it is the state allowing multinationals to sequester their money in foreign tax havens.

There's also no ignoring the quality of life issues, GDP alone isn't the only metric you measure a states success on. Housing bubble, exorbitant cost of living, rampant crime, a homeless epidemic, severe overpopulation, failing schools, crumbling infrastructure and amenities, I mean I could go on...There's a reason why the middle class are starting to flee the place. This was all happening before COVID-19 by the way

 

[robotsonic]

Yes, the richest state that runs on a perpetual budget deficit. Hooray for California and its idiot leadership!

TBF lots of rich countries/states run on a deficit, usually because of debt incurred from issuing bonds. A lot of California's debt will be owned by pension funds of Californians. That's how debt works, a lot of US national debt is owned by US companies.

Still the general direction CA is heading in is not a good one.

 

[SanchoMF]

https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/california-secede-one-group-got-a-key-approval-last-week-to-try/

I was going to post this 2 days ago but got busy and forgot etc.

´´´´
One of the most well-known groups pushing for California to secede from the rest of the country got the OK from state officials last week to collect signatures for a secession question on a future ballot.

The news of the approval came on the heels of California's 170th “birthday,” or anniversary marking the day it became the 31st state in the union. If the signature collection by pro-independence group Yes California is successful, residents would, in an undetermined future election, decide whether to cast a “no confidence” vote in the United States and create a commission to evaluate the Golden State’s ability to govern itself.


The effort has become an evergreen conversation that seems to have only ramped up in recent years. A few of California’s rich and powerful, including venture capitalist Shervin Pishevar, have put their weight behind the idea, particularly after President Donald Trump’s 2016 election win.

“We can re-enter the union after California becomes a nation,” Pishevar told CNBC in 2016 as a direct response to Trump's election. “As the sixth largest economy in the world, the economic engine of the nation and provider of a large percentage of the federal budget, California carries a lot of weight.”

But little, if anything, has come of those efforts to date.

Most experts and pundits seem to agree it’s unlikely that secession is in California’s future, but others argue that if any state is going to do it, California could be a good bet, particularly as political divisions widen.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administrati...p20081-proposed-initiative-enters-circulation

The state of California is already a magnet for illegal aliens and all sorts of druggies, criminals and weirdos.
And as much as they might be collecting federal taxes, they're still running a budget deficit.
I could imagine that they'd have a hard time keeping the corporations in if there'd be any sign of bans from operating within the union.
And were this to happen, they'd be building a wall to keep the unwanted from flocking the state (ironic) or fully embrace the incomers and provide whatever their socialist daydreams are made of.
I say godspeed.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Yes, the richest state that runs on a perpetual budget deficit. Hooray for California and its idiot leadership!

CA had been running on a surplus for years before COVID. I think they had a surplus before 2008/9 as well.

 

[dirtypablo]

What an insanely stupid idea.