RBR Butterbean vs Andy Ruiz

[PBAC]

It felt a fitting comparison to make for some reason. The first Mexican hw champion vs the USA's 4 round king.

andy ruiz


7 rounds

vs


Butterbean

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

My message to both of them.



PS. Ruiz destroys him. Wouldn't even be competitive.

 

[Seano]

I enjoyed the novelty of Butterbean but he was really just a fat guy who could hit hard. Ruiz is no Ali by any stretch of the imagination but he's a more skillful boxer than Bean.

 

[Blastbeat]

You cant help but love the Bean. Just pure entertainment.
But even in his prime i dunno if id pick him against Ruiz. Bean might get lucky with a big punch

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Bean was only a club fighter. He never beat a single active rated contender. Ruiz is world level, once a unified world champion, and is currently still a fringe contender. Forget fighting. Bean wouldn't have even made a decent sparring partner for Ruiz.

 

[treelo]

Esch was a great watch but was shit at boxing in reality, he would beat someone like Jake Paul but Ruiz, cmon

I actually just looked at his record, saw he lost to Billy Zumbrun, remember him, he was at the end of a criminal decision against Riddick Bowe, right up there for me as one of the worst robberies ive ever seen

 

[Intermission]

Esch was a great watch but was shit at boxing in reality, he would beat someone like Jake Paul but Ruiz, cmon

I actually just looked at his record, saw he lost to Billy Zumbrun, remember him, he was at the end of a criminal decision against Riddick Bowe, right up there for me as one of the worst robberies ive ever seen

Such a great post and point

 

[Intermission]

You guys should watch this...

They basically pulled Joshuas pants down once he got exposed.

Talk about hitting someone while they're down.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You guys should watch this...

They basically pulled Joshuas pants down once he got exposed.

Talk about hitting someone while they're down.

Exposed? He ran it back with Ruiz immediately and boxed him up. Only one heavyweight champ ever retired on top and undefeated. I guess they were all exposed then except Marciano. Brilliant.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

theyre being compared because theyre both fat, right

 

[Intermission]

Exposed? He ran it back with Ruiz immediately and boxed him up. Only one heavyweight champ ever retired on top and undefeated. I guess they were all exposed then except Marciano. Brilliant.

Yes exposed. It's called learning. Ruiz shouldnt even hurt him. He exposed how rough AJ was. Ruiz had some potential that an experienced champion would just shut down. Ruiz hasn't done anything noteworthy before or since.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yes exposed. It's called learning. Ruiz shouldnt even hurt him. He exposed how rough AJ was. Ruiz had some potential that an experienced champion would just shut down. Ruiz hasn't done anything noteworthy before or since.

It's the heavyweight division. All fighters there pack a punch to a degree because they're all over 200 lbs. Even Usyk does and he's never been considered a puncher. Joshua lost to a contender no matter how fat he is. It's not like he lost to a journeyman or somebody from a lower weight class that happened to move up (outside of Usyk of course). Even great heavyweight fighters have lost to both of those types and weren't said to have been exposed as bad as it looks.

 

[Intermission]

It's the heavyweight division. All fighters there pack a punch to a degree because they're all over 200 lbs. Even Usyk does and he's never been considered a puncher. Joshua lost to a contender no matter how fat he is. It's not like he lost to a journeyman or somebody from a lower weight class that happened to move up (outside of Usyk of course). Even great heavyweight fighters have lost to both of those types and weren't said to have been exposed as bad as it looks.

Its similar to Leonard-Duran 1. Leonard gifts Duran the only chance he has at winning which is slugging it out. They can fight a hundred times with Leonard sticking and moving and Leonard wins all 100 matches.

The difference is Leonard did it on purpose because Duran had provoked him. Joshua was just clueless.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Its similar to Leonard-Duran 1. Leonard gifts Duran the only chance he has at winning which is slugging it out. They can fight a hundred times with Leonard sticking and moving and Leonard wins all 100 matches.

The difference is Leonard did it on purpose because Duran had provoked him. Joshua was just clueless.

Joshua spent too much time at mid range and Ruiz's superior hand speed melted him in the exchanges. He avoided making this mistake again and avenged the loss immediately. It could always be worse. Losing to an ancient Foreman being one, or to a middleweight or light heavyweight that moved up to heavyweight, or to a journeyman as I said before. Those 3 things all happened inside what are historically viewed as the two best heavyweight eras (70s & 90s). I'd much rather lose to a fat guy like Ruiz because at least he was a contender who should've had a win over Parker going into the Joshua fight.

 

[Intermission]

Joshua spent too much time at mid range and Ruiz's superior hand speed melted him in the exchanges. He avoided making this mistake again and avenged the loss immediately. It could always be worse. Losing to an ancient Foreman being one, or to a middleweight or light heavyweight that moved up to heavyweight, or to a journeyman as I said before. Those 3 things all happened inside what are historically viewed as the two best heavyweight eras (70s & 90s). I'd much rather lose to a fat guy like Ruiz because at least he was a contender who should've had a win over Parker going into the Joshua fight.

I didn't say it was the worst. Lewis loss against Rahman is much worse. Rahman is one of the weakest champions ever

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I didn't say it was the worst. Lewis loss against Rahman is much worse. Rahman is one of the weakest champions ever

Losing to a fat dude is more about the optics. It's a surface level observation that a layman would make. Beneath those layers of lard lies a contender with the fastest hands in the division (at the time anyway). Nowadays Ruiz is merely a fringe contender but he's no journeyman or bum. An old Holyfield once sparred Ruiz when he was a teenager and admitted that he was getting caught by him.

Holyfield, 46, sparring a teenage Andy Ruiz Jr didn’t go to plan

 

[ricc505]

Man I'm old. Maybe it's because butterbean is so old but my head went straight to John Ruiz. I was formulating my response and then I saw Andy's pic.

Andy's biggest success was immediately followed by a bad performance, a reverse Lennox Lewis. Beating AJ was a good win but AJ is clearly flawed. Andy has shown lack of discipline.

Eric had clobbering punches. He could knock out anyone if he connects right. I won't belittle him. He's like tank abbott in the early UFC. Right fighter in the right circumstances.

If you have ever tried to fight a fat guy with good movement you know it's hard to find the chin, hard to tag the liver and easy to gas them.

Ruiz via condoning or Esch via knockout. Toss up

 

[Intermission]

Losing to a fat dude is more about the optics. It's a surface level observation that a layman would make. Beneath those layers of lard lies a contender with the fastest hands in the division (at the time anyway). Nowadays Ruiz is merely a fringe contender but he's no journeyman or bum. An old Holyfield once sparred Ruiz when he was a teenager and admitted that he was getting caught by him.

Holyfield, 46, sparring a teenage Andy Ruiz Jr didn’t go to plan

Very good combination puncher too. But had no answer when Joshua made the proper adjustment.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Very good combination puncher too. But had no answer when Joshua made the proper adjustment.

That's because Joshua stayed out of mid range and kept it long & boring. Meaning noncommittal risk-averse boxing and moving. It robbed Ruiz of the opportunities that he had in the first fight. He was too heavy and immobile to close the gap or chase Joshua around the ring.

 

[Intermission]

That's because Joshua stayed out of mid range and kept it long & boring. Meaning noncommittal risk-averse boxing and moving. It robbed Ruiz of the opportunities that he had in the first fight. He was too heavy and immobile to close the gap or chase Joshua around the ring.

There was footage of the guy. It wasn't UFC 1. It was a short notice fight though