Social Bryce Mitchel Falls Off The Deep end.

[Islam Imamate]

You think people have to hate a particular group to question historical narratives?

Do you think it's unreasonable for someone to assume that Bryce's take is, at least in part, based on antisemitism given he says Hitler was right to go after "greedy Jews"?

 

[Brigfa2]

If i have to choose between Stalin and Hitler, i would choose Hitler

 

[Lycandroid]

You can't compare Miguel Torres with a ranked fighter. You also can't compare the UFC of now to the UFC of then. There's been many changes within the UFC since that time.

Miguel Torres was a ranked fighter and had previously ranked higher than Bryce Mitchell could ever dream of.

UFC should do the right thing and cut this guy.

 

[Aurelian]

Miguel Torres was a ranked fight and had previously ranked higher than Bryce Mitchell could ever dream off.

UFC should do the right thing and cut this guy.

What in your opinion makes it the "right thing". There's many things to consider, and just because Miguel got cut doesn't mean they should cut Bryce out of some sort of principle standards they had 15 years ago.

I think it's important to allow people to have and express their opinions, and others are allowed to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. Others are also allowed to mock them for their opinions. Trying to suppress peoples voices and censor them is counter-productive.

 

[Darkavius]

He isn't seeking and learning? What do you know about him to find my post humorous?

You're right that he's seeking but he's definitely not learning. Learning means to acquire knowledge or skills. Hitler has been dead for almost 80 years and in no credible education will you or should you conclude that Hitler was a "good guy" or that you want to go fishing with him. To think that says you were seeking the knowledge but you never actually learned the knowledge. It's even more funny to me personally because he goes on about how bad public schools are and how they don't tell the truth, and yet he spouts off things that can be disproven with a simple Google search and things that were disproven decades and even sometimes centuries ago.

 

[PhitePhan]

Do you think it's unreasonable for someone to assume that Bryce's take is, at least in part, based on antisemitism given he says Hitler was right to go after "greedy Jews"?

An assumption is an assumption- not a huge fan under any circumstance. Nonetheless, I’m not familiar with Bryce’s position outside of the snippet that was posted… and honestly I’m more interested in the larger zeitgeist that envelopes this topic in particular.

Due you think there is any room to criticize Jewish culture/norms/behavior that doesn’t fall under the label of “antisemitism?” Is it offensive to highlight factors that led the German people to react so strongly against Jewish people?

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I don't think Dana plays as big of a role as you think right now at this stage of his career. I think Hunter Campbell, his number 2 behind the scenes, is running the day to day business and making most of the final calls. Of course though, Dana and Hunter get along and conversate on what's best for the UFC.

I dont think you understand corporate structure or follow the UFC as closely as I do. Dana delegates and differs a lot of things to his heir apparent (Hunter). Thats not being a "figure head" that's normal to set the next guy up for success and a smooth transition. The crazy thing is Dana literally tells the world in every UFC post fight press conference what he's willingly delegating down to HIS staff. You are conflating a legit organizational leader delegating things down to his staff for him not being the boss. Dana also ALWAYS let's you know when it's his call.

This situation is not about a decision Dana delegated or differed to his staff. The made up scenario of WME overriding Dana is not Dana delegating things to Hunter. Dana told everyone it's his call and his already established policy.
Did you watch the video where he says all that?

 

[Cajun]

You can't compare Miguel Torres with a ranked fighter. You also can't compare the UFC of now to the UFC of then. There's been many changes within the UFC since that time.

Would agree. The UFC is much more stable and much larger now than way back then. But Dana does flip flops at times. I don't think its racial but money driven. Always was

 

[Aurelian]

Would agree. The UFC is much more stable and much larger now than way back then. But Dana does flip flops at times. I don't think its racial but money driven. Always was

This is true. Also, back then it was Lorenzo calling all the shots. Dana was the fall guy to take all the heat and shit thrown at him while Lorenzo piled money and banged ring girls.

 

[Source]

Answering a question with a question…



I think a lot of folks just want to know the truth.

For me, this topic is fascinating from a psychological perspective, as there is zero room for any interpretation outside of the official narrative, and people lose their jobs and are blackballed, and even jailed for going against the dominant narrative… can you name another topic that is treated even remotely the same? The stifling of free speech also peaks my ire, considering I’m born/raised in a culture that puts freedom of speech above almost all else.

As others have already stated, punishing wrong think is the best way to create more doubt amd resistance, and I’d prefer any misinformation be confronted with facts rather than ad-hominem attacks.

I’m not sure Bryce’s intentions… you think he’s trying to stoke violence against Jews?

You asked a question and I answered it. You don’t get to be the only one asking questions. This isn’t a one way street. If you want open honest dialogue you must return it.

If he was seeking genuine learning and understanding he wouldn’t be promoting false narratives and racist tropes. I think for the most part people’s issues are not the questioning of the narrative of WW2 but is the intent of those that question and deny the holocaust.

Do you believe the holocaust happened?

Bryce does have a right to express his racist feelings and he should not be thrown in jail for them. That’s all freedom of speech guarantees. Freedom of speech also guarantees others rights to call out blatantly false and hateful speech.

I don't know Bryce’s ultimate intentions of promoting his antisemitic views. I do think he is a complete idiot and antisemite.

 

[Lycandroid]

What in your opinion makes it the "right thing". There's many things to consider, and just because Miguel got cut doesn't mean they should cut Bryce out of some sort of principle standards they had 15 years ago.

I think it's important to allow people to have and express their opinions, and others are allowed to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. Others are also allowed to mock them for their opinions. Trying to suppress peoples voices and censor them is counter-productive.

what do you gain from keeping around a guy who said what Dana refers to as the stupidest shit he has ever heard. There is no benefit to keeping him around, he would have been fired instantly at just about every job in existence. UFC has a code of conduct policy does it not ? How is not a violation of UFC's own rules ?

 

[Islam Imamate]

An assumption is an assumption- not a huge fan under any circumstance.

Really? You don't think most reasonable people would hear Bryce's comments about Hitler being right for going after "greedy Jews" and reasonably assume he's motivated in part by antisemitism?

Nonetheless, I’m not familiar with Bryce’s position outside of the snippet that was posted

Not just a random snippet mind you, it's from the first episode of his podcast. He chose to put this out there as representative of him and his worldview.

… and honestly I’m more interested in the larger zeitgeist that envelopes this topic in particular.

Due you think there is any room to criticize Jewish culture/norms/behavior that doesn’t fall under the label of “antisemitism?”

Sure and this does happen as with the practice of metzitzah b'peh but that's not what Bryce is doing.

Is it offensive to highlight factors that led the German people to react so strongly against Jewish people?

Arguing that the unjust peace of WWI led to the rise of the Nazis is one thing but Bryce is pretty clearly saying that Nazi propaganda about Jews was at least partly right and that is offensive and wrong.

 

[Aurelian]

what do you gain from keeping around a guy who said what Dana refers to as the stupidest shit he has ever heard. There is no benefit to keeping him around, he would have been fired instantly at just about every job in existence. UFC has a code of conduct policy does it not ? How is not a violation of UFC's own rules ?

It might be my fault for assuming anyone watching Bryce Mitchell content is fully aware he's one dumb motherfucker and are watching for the entertainment factor. I'm not really a big fan of destroying somebodies livelihoods for something they say on their own podcast that has nothing to do with their job. If Bryce had went on this rant after a win in the Octagon that's a completely different scenario.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

Looks to me that Bryce laid out this whole fkin sight, What a damn mess. Cant even tell where one thread ends and one begins. Is anyone working on this mess?

 

[WhiteMousse]

Well that's one way to get noticed I guess. Don't even know who this turd is.
It's also one way to get Dana and Ariel to agree on something.

 

[badascan]

You're right that he's seeking but he's definitely not learning. Learning means to acquire knowledge or skills. Hitler has been dead for almost 80 years and in no credible education will you or should you conclude that Hitler was a "good guy" or that you want to go fishing with him. To think that says you were seeking the knowledge but you never actually learned the knowledge. It's even more funny to me personally because he goes on about how bad public schools are and how they don't tell the truth, and yet he spouts off things that can be disproven with a simple Google search and things that were disproven decades and even sometimes centuries ago.

I didn't watch the video or read what he said about Hitler in context or otherwise.

Bryce had a very different perspective not too many years ago, he had little direction and has learned through observation and by doing. Mistakes and "being wrong" are potent opportunities for us to learn, as Bryce has admittedly done. None of us are the same persons we were a decade ago while still being the same person we were at birth, and Bryce is not different, a guy seeking and learning...

As far as a hypothetical Hitler, or anyone we see as evil or bad or wrong, we can imagine a scenario where we have an opportunity to hear them out in a casual setting and get a feel for who they are without supporting them or championing their causes, as a way to gain perspective and seek and learn... And shame on people for being so reactive and in their emotions and part of the herd with no willingness to be objective...

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I didn't watch the video or read what he said about Hitler in context or otherwise.

Bryce had a very different perspective not too many years ago, he had little direction and has learned through observation and by doing. Mistakes and "being wrong" are potent opportunities for us to learn, as Bryce has admittedly done. None of us are the same persons we were a decade ago while still being the same person we were at birth, and Bryce is not different, a guy seeking and learning...

As far as a hypothetical Hitler, or anyone we see as evil or bad or wrong, we can imagine a scenario where we have an opportunity to hear them out in a casual setting and get a feel for who they are without supporting them or championing their causes, as a way to gain perspective and seek and learn... And shame on people for being so reactive and in their emotions and part of the herd with no willingness to be objective...

yeah let's just hear the nazis out

 

[Aurelian]

I didn't watch the video or read what he said about Hitler in context or otherwise.

Bryce had a very different perspective not too many years ago, he had little direction and has learned through observation and by doing. Mistakes and "being wrong" are potent opportunities for us to learn, as Bryce has admittedly done. None of us are the same persons we were a decade ago while still being the same person we were at birth, and Bryce is not different, a guy seeking and learning...

As far as a hypothetical Hitler, or anyone we see as evil or bad or wrong, we can imagine a scenario where we have an opportunity to hear them out in a casual setting and get a feel for who they are without supporting them or championing their causes, as a way to gain perspective and seek and learn... And shame on people for being so reactive and in their emotions and part of the herd with no willingness to be objective...

I like your sig. That's part of a Marcus Aurelius quote.

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.

 

[OneOfOne]

I don’t think it’s more impactful than holocaust denial

Whats so bad or impactful about holocaust denial?

 

[fica]

No I don't, they had people turning their neighbours in, people they'd worked with for years.

They were doing same to Japanese in usa