Brock's MMA legacy...

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

Lost only to 3 former champions in Mir (Fluke), Velasquez and Overeem... Not exactly bad people to lose to..

Beat a HOF champion in Randy, punished a solid career fighter in Herring, Brutalized former champ Frank Mir, just pummeled a guy who was fighting for number one contender only a year ago, and gave Shane Carwin his first ever defeat

All this while facing illness, having little to no experience, and never taking easy fights

That's a locked in HOF resume. This Drug Test issue will have no effect on his legacy in the octagon, because we all knew it anyway, and that wasn't the point. The point was he exceeded every single expectation we all had of him. It will be a long time before we see someone do we Brock did.

 

[Claude]

Biggest fiasco in MMA history. That's his legacy.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Brockroid LesNandrolone

 

[TrashCanMan]

Ok Dana

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

Either you have to acknowledge his greatness as a Mixed Martial Artist,

or you have to acknowledge the mockery he made of the sport... How an untrained no resume fake WWE guy can come in, and win the sports top prize in 3 fights, and defended it a record amount of times..

 

[HendricksPunch]

A poster boy for PEDs. That's his legacy

 

[trident]

Wait so the criteria now is whether we all knew it or not?

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Either you have to acknowledge his greatness as a Mixed Martial Artist,

or you have to acknowledge the mockery he made of the sport... How an untrained no resume fake WWE guy can come in, and win the sports top prize in 3 fights, and defended it a record amount of times..

Brock is one of the most decorated NCAA wrestlers to ever come into the UFC.

He may have been untrained in other areas, but he was way more fucking trained in his wrestling than most ever are in a single discipline.

That be like saying Mayweather is untrained if he ever came into the sport.

 

[BAM]

Biggest fiasco in MMA history. That's his legacy.

I wouldn't go that far. A lot of ridiculous shit has happened in MMA. I don't know if I'd even rank it in the top 10.

 

[BAM]

He's essentially Mark Kerr 2.0 with a massive mainstream appeal.

 

[Substance Abuse]

I wouldn't go that far. A lot of ridiculous shit has happened in MMA. I don't know if I'd even rank it in the top 10.

Agreed. I think people forget a lot about organizations that no longer exist, lol.

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

Brock is one of the most decorated NCAA wrestlers to ever come into the UFC.

He may have been untrained in other areas, but he was way more fucking trained in his wrestling than most ever are in a single discipline.

That be like saying Mayweather is untrained if he ever came into the sport.

This is MMA, not wrestling. Yes it plays a factor, but so does working out at the gym. It's a totally different animal.

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

He's essentially Mark Kerr 2.0 with a massive mainstream appeal.

Except he did it against supposedly much stiffer competition, because everyone always downplays the quality of opposition in the 90's/early 2000's

 

[Bend NvR Break]

He brought more exposure to MMA than any other fighter. TS is right. We all knew (or should've) known he was roiding.

Brock was good for the sport.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

This is MMA, not wrestling. Yes it plays a factor, but so does working out at the gym. It's a totally different animal.

That makes no sense.

Plenty of fighters train strictly in a discipline for training purposes. Training strictly boxing by the book is going to improve your hands quicker than "MMA boxing" will. Same goes for wrestling. And plenty of fighters do that.

And all these pros? They almost all did the same thing. They trained in a single discipline leading up until MMA, and then adapted it for MMA use. But their early fights heavily featured them relying on that original strength.

Brock was training well before he ever came to the UFC. So, no, he was trained. And secondly, experience in a different, DIRECTLY APPLICABLE discipline is as good as anything.

I mean fuck. Saying Brock was untrained literally makes no sense.

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

That makes no sense.

Plenty of fighters train strictly in a discipline for training purposes. Training strictly boxing by the book is going to improve your hands quicker than "MMA boxing" will. Same goes for wrestling. And plenty of fighters do that.

And all these pros? They almost all did the same thing. They trained in a single discipline leading up until MMA, and then adapted it for MMA use. But their early fights heavily featured them relying on that original strength.

Brock was training well before he ever came to the UFC. So, no, he was trained. And secondly, experience in a different, DIRECTLY APPLICABLE discipline is as good as anything.

I mean fuck. Saying Brock was untrained literally makes no sense.

1 fight against a Japanese can, going into the top organization in the world sounds pretty untrained to me. Just go along with the narrative bro. Call it inexperienced if you want. But 1 fight.

 

[BAM]

Except he did it against supposedly much stiffer competition, because everyone always downplays the quality of opposition in the 90's/early 2000's

Randy Couture, Heath Herring and Frank Mir are roughly from that era. Yeah they've improved, but they're from that era that's multi-disciplined, but done at a later age rather than learning it all at once like Rory McDonald's era.

Mark Kerr was seemingly a large roided unstoppable force for a short period of time and would just take people down and turn their faces in red mash. Like Lesnar his physical health fell off the rails at his peak. Had a handful of top wins and a number 1 ranking.

 

[Limbo Pete]

 

[Cozytoesflava]

His legacy has been reduced to roughly 250 Steven SEAGOLD sherdog threads.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

1 fight against a Japanese can, going into the top organization in the world sounds pretty untrained to me. Just go along with the narrative bro. Call it inexperienced if you want. But 1 fight.

Inexperience and untrained are wildly different terms.

Inexperienced means that a person lacks experience. And that's fine to say for Brock, because it was true.

Untrained means that a person lacks training. And that is not true in the slightest. I bet Brock with no MMA training could still double leg a professional HW MMA fighter to the ground. His technique and flow in his shots was better than most MMA fighters ever before he showed up to the sport. And that was all due to his wrestling experience from the NCAA.