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Britain to world: please pretend we are not leaving EU

7437 said:
Escalate? How exactly. You mean cut off all trade with the EU?
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That would be one very disastrous way to go about it.

How about instead they just revert to all pre-EU laws, without the consent of anyone else, and say "your move". If that doesn't work for you, then it is you who cut off trade with the UK.
 
VivaRevolution said:
That would be one very disastrous way to go about it.

How about instead they just revert to all pre-EU laws, without the consent of anyone else, and say "your move". If that doesn't work for you, then it is you who cut off trade with the UK.
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>what are contracts
>what are agreements
>what are commitments
 
VivaRevolution said:
That would be one very disastrous way to go about it.

How about instead they just revert to all pre-EU laws, without the consent of anyone else, and say "your move". If that doesn't work for you, then it is you who cut off trade with the UK.
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... but they want to cut off trade with the UK since the UK voted for Brexit. They don't want the UK to benefit from EU trade deals if they're not in the EU.

If the UK violated the EU charter as you describe, the exact same thing would happen.
 
JosephDredd said:
... but they want to cut off trade with the UK since the UK voted for Brexit. They don't want the UK to benefit from EU trade deals if they're not in the EU.

If the UK violated the EU charter as you describe, the exact same thing would happen.
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No they don't. They want controlled economic sanctions for leaving the EU.

Cutting off trade with the UK, would likely collapse the whole world economy. Believe it or not, large economies are economic nukes capable of world destruction. The whole point of free trade in foreign policy terms is to create a kind of cold war mutually assured destruction paradigm.
 
21 Savage said:
>make agreement
>pull out halfway through
>"your move"

1 year later

>h-hey guys w-why wont anyone w-work with us??
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The agreement said they could leave. No member of the EU would have agreed to join, if they knew they could never back out of it.
 
VivaRevolution said:
No they don't. They want controlled economic sanctions for leaving the EU.

Cutting off trade with the UK, would likely collapse the whole world economy. Believe it or not, large economies are economic nukes capable of world destruction. The whole point of free trade in foreign policy terms is to create a kind of cold war mutually assured destruction paradigm.
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Ok, I didn't mean end all trade, I meant cut off trade with UK as a member state. They want to treat the UK as any other non-member state. I guess I phrased that wrong.
 
JosephDredd said:
Ok, I didn't mean end all trade, I meant cut off trade with UK as a member state. They want to treat the UK as any other non-member state. I guess I phrased that wrong.
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But they already had trade agreements with the UK.

I think it clearly shows who is being unreasonable if they aren't willing to honor those agreements.

The UK, hasn't done anything wrong. The EU agreement said if the people of a nation voted to leave, they could. No one should give a shit if the EU has a problem with a nation doing what the agreement allowed for.

Does the EU have more leverage? Sure.

Does the UK have the ability to nuke the world economy? Yep

Both those things should be respected, and the leaders need to stop acting like children playing a game, and recognize that the game they are playing, is a game with global consequences.
 
VivaRevolution said:
That would be one very disastrous way to go about it.

How about instead they just revert to all pre-EU laws, without the consent of anyone else, and say "your move". If that doesn't work for you, then it is you who cut off trade with the UK.
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The UK joined in 1973. Alot of other arrangements are in place since that happened. Kinda a dumb idea.
 
VivaRevolution said:
But they already had trade agreements with the UK.

I think it clearly shows who is being unreasonable if they aren't willing to honor those agreements.

The UK, hasn't done anything wrong. The EU agreement said if the people of a nation voted to leave, they could. No one should give a shit if the EU has a problem with a nation doing what the agreement allowed for.

Does the EU have more leverage? Sure.

Does the UK have the ability to nuke the world economy? Yep

Both those things should be respected, and the leaders need to stop acting like children playing a game, and recognize that the game they are playing, is a game with global consequences.
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The EU agreement also said there would be penalties if a nation left. How can you, in good conscience, advocate for half of the agreed-upon contract to be followed, but not the other half?

And they certainly should not expect to continue to be treated like a member nation. They're about to be like any other non-member and that's totally fair.
 
JosephDredd said:
The EU agreement also said there would be penalties if a nation left. How can you, in good conscience, advocate for half of the agreed-upon contract to be followed, but not the other half?

And they certainly should not expect to continue to be treated like a member nation. They're about to be like any other non-member and that's totally fair.
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Is the non-member state treatment, different then the deal they had prior?

That is why.

I think the UK has the right to demand the same treatment that they received prior to joining.

If the rest of the EU doesn't honor that, then it is the EU that is collapsing the world economy by cutting off trade with the UK.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Is the non-member state treatment, different then the deal they had prior?

That is why.

I think the UK has the right to demand the same treatment that they received prior to joining.

If the rest of the EU doesn't honor that, then it is the EU that is collapsing the world economy by cutting off trade with the UK.
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the EU is trying to honor their decision

not their fault that the britbongs are dragging their feet
 
VivaRevolution said:
Is the non-member state treatment, different then the deal they had prior?

That is why.

I think the UK has the right to demand the same treatment that they received prior to joining.

If the rest of the EU doesn't honor that, then it is the EU that is collapsing the world economy by cutting off trade with the UK.
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But that's not possible because they would have had individual deals with various member states, would they not? And those members are now part of the EU and cannot contract with Britain in ways that override the EU contracts. And that's what should happen.

Can you give any example of someone breaking a trade agreement to unilaterally assert a previous agreement? That sounds like fantasy. That's not how contract law works at all.
 
curryjunkie said:
"tons of comments" from morons who read the daily mail, which is as credible as breitbart in the UK, these people actually take nigel farage seriously.
brexit was voted for by daily mail and sun readers basically, and now they are in denial about what it will mean , hell if the referendum was run again tommorow, enough would change their vote to swing the result the other way.
ultimately its the fault of lazy people who didnt vote at all, almost exclusively remainers, who assumed nobody would be stupid enough to vote leave
the government knows no matter how skillfully they negotiate, its a shitshow and the fallout is going to be unavoidable.
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The arguments on political articles contain quite a few people who make, or attempt to make substantive arguments. You also get a good feel for the cultural situation among common people in the country, since the content of the site covers so many different issues.

Re: Brexit, it depends on your position of economics. The EU seems to fall victim to the same issues all big government has with the economic calculation problem. There is a "shitshow," and financial difficulty, but it's primarily the conflict of interest among the Prime Minister and some people in the conservative party, and companies having to re-adjust their business models or who they will market to, assuming that the trade deal changes their customers.

There's the potential that the EU may try to avoid trade with the UK purely out of spite, which would harm the EU as well, but that's unlikely since the EU's situation is perilous as well, due your normal redistribution and welfare-state problems, except on a scale with multiple nations.

Oh, lastly, I don't think you're a stupid. Please reconsider labeling everyone who disagrees with you as stupid.
 
Dalarna3 said:
This is what happens when you leave a party that was against a referendum in power to carry out said referendum. The U.K. is pretty fucked politically -- both domestically and internationally.
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Let's hope not. I really do believe they are a great country with (mostly) fundamentally good people, which is more than I can say for the overwhelming majority of places. This is one situation where Trump is indeed a blessing, since he values the "Special Relationship" and will assist the UK if needed.

(now leftists will go insane because I dared to say that Trump was actually good for something)
 
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