#BringBackOurGirls vs. #CancelColbert/Donald Sterling

[europe1]

I was referring specifically to "social justice warriors" who pretend to care more about cancelling TV shows and getting people fired from jobs because they don't like the words they used, but then staying completely silent when a legitimate tragedy takes place.

Why is that their responsibility anyway? People specialize in diffrent areas. Some TV-critism, other human rights issues.

I am a combat-sports fan, but just because I'm into MMA doesn't mean I have to be into Boxing at the same time becuse of it. This woman you are refeering to dosn't have to get involved in these girls kidnaping just beacuse she likes to critique the media.

 

[drowningidiot]

OP aren't you just as guilty? I mean how many posts did you make in the Sterling thread?

This thread could be summed up as "Why do so many people care about this thing that I also care about and not this other tragic thing that I don't care about?"

Why haven't you made any threads about the Congo? WHYYYYYYY

 

[HIMBOB]

You know what,

I couldn't even remember where the girls were kidnapped.

Its hard to stay concerned about problems which are so far away and for which you can't really form an honest opinion on because you can only judge on the possibly biased reporting you hear.

I would like to think this reasoing isn't an excuse, but yeah it is.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

OP aren't you just as guilty? I mean how many posts did you make in the Sterling thread?

This thread could be summed up as "Why do so many people care about this thing that I also care about and not this other tragic thing that I don't care about?"

Why haven't you made any threads about the Congo? WHYYYYYYY

Are you saying I am guilty of being a hypocrite? I can't argue that. I about as big a hypocrite as they come.

 

[7437]

Fucking bingo. This took too long to say.

Maybe Americans want to take up causes about things happening in America? Ya ever think of that? And maybe they want to take up causes they can actually change, as hashtag activism forced Sterling out and forced Colbert to make a statement, while hashtag activism won't actually do anything about kidnapping victims in another country.

you mean Nigerian slavers dont even care about hashtags?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

You know what,

I couldn't even remember where the girls were kidnapped.

Its hard to stay concerned about problems which are so far away and for which you can't really form an honest opinion on because you can only judge on the possibly biased reporting you hear.

I would like to think this reasoing isn't an excuse, but yeah it is.

I'm not arguing that everyone ought to be concerned about what happens in the world. I'm not out there doing anything about and I don't plan on it.

I was more focused on the question of why "social justice warriors" are so eager to jump on non-issues but then don't bother to even mention legitimate issues regarding Islamic extremists kidnapping girls because they went to a westernized school.

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

Phew. I thought this thread title meant Girls on HBO got cancelled.

 

[AgeofEmpires2**]

American media and its viewers love a racist story- so long as a white guy is the bad-guy. It's a social fetish at this point when comments make more news than violent prejudice. It keeps the artificial 'victim mentality' alive and well. However I agree with the NBA's decision because from a business standpoint that's about the only thing they could have done to save face after what he said.

 

[HomerThompson]

I didn't assume you meant math majors advocating for even numbers.

I took a community action class. All we learned was how to mobilize through grass root campaign and help poor kids. Oh, man, I was soooo indoctrinated.

Also, I think you're confusing cause and correlation. Activists tend to be more engaged, more ambitious, and on the average more intelligent. Those people tend to pursue higher education as well.

This isn't the science forum buddy.

 

[Satanical Eve]

You cannot use KONY at all as an argument. The assholes behind that damn campaign lied to the public as a whole

 

[Devout Pessimist]

American media and its viewers love a racist story- so long as a white guy is the bad-guy. It's a social fetish at this point when comments make more news than violent prejudice. It keeps the artificial 'victim mentality' alive and well. However I agree with the NBA's decision because from a business standpoint that's about the only thing they could have done to save face after what he said.

You nailed it. I think this is exactly what is going on.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

colbert is a huge story? it might get mentioned what he says, but he is a liberal darling. nothing will happen to him. funny thing here is that republicans might blast him for it, demanding unsuccessfully he be punished, but the same left that jumps on any right winger that says anything remotely racist and demands they lose their livelihood will stay FAAARRR away from going after Colbert. Ultimately, he MIGHT be forced to apologize.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

colbert is a huge story? it might get mentioned what he says, but he is a liberal darling. nothing will happen to him. funny thing here is that republicans might blast him for it, demanding unsuccessfully he be punished, but the same left that jumps on any right winger that says anything remotely racist and demands they lose their livelihood will stay FAAARRR away from going after Colbert. Ultimately, he MIGHT be forced to apologize.

The Colbert incident was big for a few days over a weekend. It even made international news. There is a rapidly growing movement of radical anti-liberal leftist who are coming out of identity studies programs. This group was by far the most vocal and what is a little concerning is the influence they are gaining though social media and on college campuses.

These leftist are so anti-liberal that right-wing pundits are sometimes joining their causes. Michelle Malkin was quick to jump on the Suey Park bandwagon after she started the #CancelColbert movement.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

The Colbert incident was big for a few days over a weekend. It even made international news. There is a rapidly growing movement of radical anti-liberal leftist who are coming out of identity studies programs. This group was by far the most vocal and what is a little concerning is the influence they are gaining though social media and on college campuses.

These leftist are so anti-liberal that right-wing pundits are sometimes joining their causes. Michelle Malkin was quick to jump on the Suey Park bandwagon after she started the #CancelColbert movement.

so let me ask you this then. how would it have played out differently (if at all) had it been sean hannity who said the joke rather than colbert? would it have gone away? would it have been a story for longer than a weekend?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

so let me ask you this then. how would it have played out differently (if at all) had it been sean hannity who said the joke rather than colbert? would it have gone away? would it have been a story for longer than a weekend?

I am not sure. There definitely would be a public backlash, but I don't think there would have been such a backlash among the anti-liberal left if it was someone of the far-right because I think it has something that has become expected of them.

I have been reading a lot of articles and twitters from some of these anti-liberal leftists and it seems they have a bigger problem with what they call "white liberal-hypocrisy." Where liberals pretend to care but all that happens is they inject their problems and views into things instead of actually making any social changes.

This quote from Suey Park captures the sentiment:

"These white liberals are not mad that we pointed out racism, they are mad that they now have to consider the ways in which they may be racist"

- http://time.com/author/suey-park/

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

I am not sure. There definitely would be a public backlash, but I don't think there would have been such a backlash among the anti-liberal left if it was someone of the far-right because I think it has something that has become expected of them.

I have been reading a lot of articles and twitters from some of these anti-liberal leftists and it seems they have a bigger problem with what they call "white liberal-hypocrisy." Where liberals pretend to care but all that happens is they inject their problems and views into things instead of actually making any social changes.

This quote from Suey Park captures the sentiment:

"These white liberals are not mad that we pointed out racism, they are mad that they now have to consider the ways in which they may be racist"

- http://time.com/author/suey-park/

i disagree vehemently with that. right wing or people who are not known for their political leanings are quickly dealt with.

rush, jimmy the greek, al campanis, donald sterling, etc all met with quick punishments for what were perceived as racist statements. however, colbert, who is a darling of the left met with some criticism that went nowhere outside of some internet protests.

however, there are also two other things that likely helped him avoid much trouble.

1. he mocked asians. there is not nearly the outrage there. you can make fun of almost all groups but blacks (or gays) and get away with it.

2. as a comedian, he is given a little more cushion. if that is right or wrong, i dont know

 

[Devout Pessimist]

i disagree vehemently with that. right wing or people who are not known for their political leanings are quickly dealt with.

rush, jimmy the greek, al campanis, donald sterling, etc all met with quick punishments for what were perceived as racist statements. however, colbert, who is a darling of the left met with some criticism that went nowhere outside of some internet protests.

however, there are also two other things that likely helped him avoid much trouble.

1. he mocked asians. there is not nearly the outrage there. you can make fun of almost all groups but blacks (or gays) and get away with it.

2. as a comedian, he is given a little more cushion. if that is right or wrong, i dont know

I agree entirely that there would be major backlash. I mentioned in my earlier post that that there would be backlash among the general public. When I said I wasn't sure if they would react much to a pundit like Hannity I was referring to the anti-liberal left.

What is interesting to note among the anti-liberal left is that there was relatively little comment on Donald Sterling. Jezebel wrote an article on how Sterling was sexist and there was another misled article discussing how Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was blaming Sterling's girlfriend for the Sterling incident.

Here is an article discussing the anti-liberal left that you may find interesting:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179160/cancelcolbert-and-return-anti-liberal-left

 

[speakhandsforme]

This isn't the science forum buddy.

..?

 

[speakhandsforme]

i disagree vehemently with that. right wing or people who are not known for their political leanings are quickly dealt with.

rush, jimmy the greek, al campanis, donald sterling, etc all met with quick punishments for what were perceived as racist statements. however, colbert, who is a darling of the left met with some criticism that went nowhere outside of some internet protests.

however, there are also two other things that likely helped him avoid much trouble.

1. he mocked asians. there is not nearly the outrage there. you can make fun of almost all groups but blacks (or gays) and get away with it.

2. as a comedian, he is given a little more cushion. if that is right or wrong, i dont know

You don't see the difference between parodying another man's fraudulent act of racial pandering (Dan Snyder's Native American Foundation) and seriously asking your significant other to not bring a certain race to your games and to not be seen with them in person, because of how it reflects on you?

Do you seriously think that if Colbert did something actually offensive that Rush and Hannity wouldn't beat it into the ground and make it the biggest scandal on television? Also, it's the minority populations which largely dictate outrage. If they weren't outraged by Colbert, but were by Rush, it probably says something.

In short, it was perceived differently because it was completely different.



But, I will say that Jimmy the Greek got a raw deal. He wasn't trying to be vulgar, racist, or insensitive. He was attempting to justify the overwhelming comparative success of African Americans in our professional sports. And he went about it how you would expect an old white man to go about it. And, to be honest, there was probably some truth to what he said.

 

[James Keith]

Fucking bingo. This took too long to say.

Maybe Americans want to take up causes about things happening in America? Ya ever think of that? And maybe they want to take up causes they can actually change, as hashtag activism forced Sterling out and forced Colbert to make a statement, while hashtag activism won't actually do anything about kidnapping victims in another country.

I care! That story is fucking insane.

Meanwhile what little effect the warriors of the internet might have on African problems beats completely irrelevant changes to comedy central's programming.

Also I thought lefties were citizens of the world unlike us american xenophobes.

Anyway young people just have no perspective. There was that Coney youtube "phenomenon". So they do care sometimes.