BREXIT Discussion, v3.0: World Leaders' Reaction After The U.K Voted To Leave The European Union.

[Ruprecht]

but their end goal is to, is it not?? European countries are falling apart all around us, economically, but we are to trust that the EU is the only way to have a stable economy??

as i said, leaving the EU doesnt change the system or solve the problem. Staying would have created a much bigger problem and longer wait to change the system. Trying to expand the EU and its powers is the worst thing possible if we are ever gonna progress beyond this form of capitalism.

It's not economic stability it brought. It was the ability to use the combined economic power for influence in a global market. With the EU included, the economic landscape was truly multipolar (with China and the US being the other "poles").

 

[Armbars]

CNN poll has 1.5 million remain voters wanting a recount lmao. Millenials don't understand how a democracy works. That or Soros made 1.5 million fake accounts to vote lol.

Line up all 1.5 million of them, strip them naked, douse them in flour and rain feathers all over them, make them walk to the euro tunnel force them through then seal the fucking thing up.

Scumbags.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

LOL throwing "the world" into disarray. I dunno, things went swimmingly here in New York. It was a nice day. No complaints. Definitely no disarray.

I guess if your definition of "the world" is Romania, then yeah, I bet they were in even more disarray than usual.

Oh I forgot to ask you. Since you are against Turkey in the EU for them being Muslim and not adopting a "European" outlook. Then are you also against Albania, Bosnia, and Kosovo being in the EU? Because those are all Muslim majority countries.

 

[Monkadelic]

I recently spent a day at a seminar learning about the new EU regulations regarding public procurement.

It was horrible at the time.

Now I know it was horrible and pointless

 

[Victor Maitland]

The Washington post ,the paper that seems to post up the most globalist propaganda , is claiming that voters didnt know what they were voting for ....
lol

In Ireland they voted against the EU ,but were informed they didnt understand what they had voted for , by the media.

if something happens that the global elite dont like ,it means that the voters didnt understand the vote and have to vote again until they get the "right result"

 

[Ruprecht]

So what. My point is that the one does not equal the other.

Also, what are you some trade expert who also posts on sherdog? Because I doubt that is the case.

Expert? This is the basics. If you've read anything at all on the subject over the last decade you should realise that.
And my point was that, yes, it's inevitable that economic liberalisation, which inherently involves the removal of trade barriers and hence growing economic integration, will lead to globalisation and increased pressure for the movement of labour. Nothing remotely controversial about that statement.

 

[TheStruggle]

The leftists are still whining like spoiled children on Twitter.

This is only a sneak preview of the butthurt that will come when Trump wins in November, probably going to be some legit suicides.

 

[TheStruggle]

The Washington post ,the paper that seems to post up the most globalist propaganda , is claiming that voters didnt know what they were voting for ....
lol

In Ireland they voted against the EU ,but were informed they didnt understand what they had voted for , by the media.

if something happens that the global elite dont like ,it means that the voters didnt understand the vote and have to vote again until they get the "right result"

The Global Elite who uses leftists and liberals to carry their agenda loves to call people 'stupid, ignorant, and racist' if they don't agree with them.

 

[snakedafunky]

But there won't be any new restrictions on trade or extra pay tariffs for Britian to face outside the EU. Markus Kerber has already admitted this and major manufacturers like Toyota, Vauxhall and Land Rover have all said they aren't worried about the situation. All the EU's threats, posturing and muscle flexing on the issue was just scare mongering to try and bully people into voting how they wanted. You guys need to stop swallowing the EU propaganda and stop being so scared and paranoid, it isn't healthy.

But do you think its realistic for the UK to have all the benefits of the EU without having to give anything back? I mean what is the point of the EU if outside countries have the same benefits? That just doesn't make any sense.
They cant have access to the single market unless they accept the free movement of people.

 

[Awesomesauce]

That's fully fledged Vulgar Libertarianism. Free movement for capital, but lock down the worker. It's the precise reason globalisation is responsible for economic polarisation.

Your right to a large extent. Unfortunately, the practical effect of allowing all of that labor into western countries is to depress the demand for labor. The combination of their being districts which are still dramatically cheaper on labor then the west and all of that extra labor has been an extreme depression that isn't well represented in the numbers.

Although I think this is more about culture then anything else. I know if I was walking down the street and some nut jobs just started dropping to the sidewalk and praying blocking my way and then getting pissed when I told them to fucking move it, fights would ensue. Thats ignoring the crime realities.

 

[Bald1]

Are you in favor of Turkey in the EU? I am. And think a lot of the opposition for it is bigoted.

I do however dislike how say Sweden or Germany can take in tons of immigrants/refugees. Give them citizenship eventually and then those people are allowed to move everywhere in the EU. That was surely a concern for some people.

But it is also important to note that the UK government NOT the EU was responsible for the massive Muslim and nonwhite immigration into Britain. The Labour party started that project at the end of the 90s under Tony Blair. Heck someone on here once said that a leaked report from Labour showed a desire to permantly change UK demographics.

Of course what is the likelihood that Muslim who gain citizenship in Germany will want to move to say Hungary? Especially if Hungary has tougher restrictibe citizenship laws and is not friendly to Muslims?

I think it is entirely within their right to be restrictive if they so wish.

None of the migrants want to stay, or move to the EU border countries. Most are broke and or corrupt. Both in the case of Hungary, which is run by a mini Putin wanna be.

Italy just implimented mandatory fingerprinting for migrants (which means they can no longer travel freely), and they rioted. Same thing happened in Hungary a year ago. Strange that there was nothing mentioned about this in western MSM, eh? Look at the riot in Calais on the eve of Brexit.

Migrants ultimate goal is to get to Germany, the UK, or Sweden. If it takes them a few years to get status before they can move on then they will wait, while the host country feeds and clothes them. After which they could move on to the UK without issues.

What do you think would happen if Turkey joined the EU, and their millions of undocumented migrants/refugees were granted free travel anywhere on the continent? @MicroBrew called Turkey an Islamic Trojan Horse, and that's a perfect description imo.

Brexit wasn't just about globalization, immigration or refugees. It was about opting out of Merkels insane open door policy to the third world, and all the complications that come with it.

 

[dontsnitch]

Line up all 1.5 million of them, strip them naked, douse them in flour and rain feathers all over them, make them walk to the euro tunnel force them through then seal the fucking thing up.

Scumbags.

Since you are British and voted for Brexit, are you an old uneducated racist like you are being portrayed?

 

[snakedafunky]

Line up all 1.5 million of them, strip them naked, douse them in flour and rain feathers all over them, make them walk to the euro tunnel force them through then seal the fucking thing up.

Scumbags.

To be fair the loosing site asking for a recount is as old as democracy itself. I am sure the agent Greek had to recount those stones a few times.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Oh I forgot to ask you. Since you are against Turkey in the EU for them being Muslim and not adopting a "European" outlook. Then are you also against Albania, Bosnia, and Kosovo being in the EU? Because those are all Muslim majority countries.

I'm not opposed to Turkey in the EU just due to religion. They are just not in Europe culturally or geographically (to any significant extent), that's all. The other countries you mentioned are 100% geographically in Europe, so that's a slam dunk. Bosnians and Kosovans are really just Serbs/Croats or Albanians, and both those groups are definitely European despite not sharing a religion with most of the continent.

 

[Matt M]

Have you paid any attention to the media consumption habits of older citizens...? Less biased?!?! Ha!

Ah I see, you're one of those people who are spoonfed (by the media funnily enough!) that anyone who reads the Daily Mail is a terrible human being, a racist and a bigot.
Tut tut.

 

[Armbars]

Since you are British and voted for Brexit, are you an old uneducated racist like you are being portrayed?

Dunno you decide.

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[Ruprecht]

Your right to a large extent. Unfortunately, the practical effect of allowing all of that labor into western countries is to depress the demand for labor. The combination of their being districts which are still dramatically cheaper on labor then the west and all of that extra labor has been an extreme depression that isn't well represented in the numbers.

Although I think this is more about culture then anything else. I know if I was walking down the street and some nut jobs just started dropping to the sidewalk and praying blocking my way and then getting pissed when I told them to fucking move it, fights would ensue. Thats ignoring the crime realities.

Well, human labour is never going to be as fluid as capital. Migration and possible retraining isn't so simple. Never mind issues of language and culture. I'm in favour of protectionism to lessen the human impact and to allow countries to develop competitive industry before competing globally (like South Korea etc). Likewise I'm not in favour of population growth as a means of economic growth, mostly because of it's infrastructure requirements and environmental impact. None of that has been a factor in the "Leave" campaign though.
Literally zero solutions offered. I've already mentioned it, but when Johnson was sounding off all protectionist about UK manufacturing and a return to greatness, JCB and Dyson, I was sure that Dyson had offshored their production to Singapore, Malaysia and China. The Trade Unions backed Remain for the working conditions the EU guarantees. Then there's the loss of economic influence. So... who benefits?

 

[Ruprecht]

Ah I see, you're one of those people who are spoonfed (by the media funnily enough!) that anyone who reads the Daily Mail is a terrible human being, a racist and a bigot.
Tut tut.

The only time I've read the Daily Mail is when it's posted here, and having fact checked their articles multiple times, it's perfectly clear they are a biased, sensationalist tabloid. Are you trying to tell me the Daily Mail isn't one of the UK's most biased publications? No one could be that stupid. They don't even deny their bias, it's literally a marketing strategy.
Not that they're the only example either. No bias on LBC radio with it's average listener age of 49?
It's laughable to say that the media consumption habits of the older generation are less biased.

 

[MusterX]

Merkel literally sounds like a globalist supervillain. "This is great setback to our... wonderful European unification plans."

LOL, they've all become globalist supervillains that want to create the new world order. Their aim to is break down the sovereignty of all nations and destroy borders. I laughed my ass off when the Brits broke that mental conditioning and voted to get out. I can't even believe they allowed them to vote on it. Even more hilarious is David Cameron's response to it which is to throw his ball down and yell I quit.

In his official statement outside 10 Downing Street, Mr Cameron, who was one of the leaders of the Remain campaign, said the decision warranted a change in leadership.

"I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months, but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination," he said.

It's like gdamn Cameron, your next destination? Your next destination is independence. You should be ashamed to quit like a bitch. It shows you how much of a globalist tool these leaders really are when they are so upset at what their people want, that they quit. He should be celebrating the right of the people to decide.

 

[dontsnitch]

Dunno you decide.

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You don't need to justify yourself, I was only kidding, and it was obvious you're young and thus have some level of education.