BREXIT Discussion, v3.0: World Leaders' Reaction After The U.K Voted To Leave The European Union.

[snakedafunky]

how does it profit ordinary ppl to slowly give up their rights and freedoms to an outside entity that has profits, not their best interests at heart??

EU wants to be federal. Ppl are still alive and fought and died so the ppl of the UK could make 100% of their own decisions and not have somebody in Germany or Brussels deciding their fate. Now you want ppl who lived thru that to simply give up those rights without a fight??

or are we acting as if the EU going Federal isnt the end game here?

I can understand that opinion. But I don't understand how people can argue it will have no negative effect on the economy.
All the other EU countries have to surrender certain rights to the EU in order to be part of its positive affects. But somehow the UK will be the same without giving up certain rights, how is that going to work?

 

[berimBOWLoh]

extreme capitalism isnt working around the globe. we can bail out the banks and major industries as many times as we want. then we can allow the same ppl to run them again, or run the EU or w/e silly org you want and expect a different result.


til you realize we need a totally different system. not just different ppl running the current one. not expansion of it worldwide. This is the UKs chance to change the world/save the world and lead the way, again.

you can stay stuck in the failing system and boo hoo ppl who want change. or you can get on board and try to find a better way. this isnt the answer but expansion and more powers to the EU is way worse.

 

[Rygu]

CNN poll has 1.5 million remain voters wanting a recount lmao. Millenials don't understand how a democracy works. That or Soros made 1.5 million fake accounts to vote lol.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Turkey's chance of acquiring membership is practically zero.
But yeah, it's a bit depressing the amount of misinformation and manipulation, the leave campaign has had success with in spreading. I don't think they changed opinions with it per se, but I do think it's very sad that they didn't meet more vigorous opposition, and that the debate panels + media didn't insist on more integrity.
But I guess I'm just still salty.

Also the infamous "OUR SOVEREIGNTY!", which I have yet to see be explained in any greater detail than those two words. As far as I can tell their standard for "sovereignty", would also require that the U.K leaves the WTO, NATO and the UN.

God damn..

Are you in favor of Turkey in the EU? I am. And think a lot of the opposition for it is bigoted.

I do however dislike how say Sweden or Germany can take in tons of immigrants/refugees. Give them citizenship eventually and then those people are allowed to move everywhere in the EU. That was surely a concern for some people.

But it is also important to note that the UK government NOT the EU was responsible for the massive Muslim and nonwhite immigration into Britain. The Labour party started that project at the end of the 90s under Tony Blair. Heck someone on here once said that a leaked report from Labour showed a desire to permantly change UK demographics.

Of course what is the likelihood that Muslim who gain citizenship in Germany will want to move to say Hungary? Especially if Hungary has tougher restrictibe citizenship laws and is not friendly to Muslims?

I think it is entirely within their right to be restrictive if they so wish.

 

[snakedafunky]

Multinational companies wont be pulling out of the UK. The people whipping up fear by claiming this have already had to put their dummies back in and have admitted as much.

So if you are the CEO from Toyota thinking about opening or upgrading a plant. Would you open it in a country that is outside your main market. The whole point of opening a plant somewhere in Europe is that you have easy access to the EU market.
Why would you open it in the UK if you have to pay more to later export your product into the UK? And you also cant have your engineers an Manager from the EU coma and work in the UK, they would all need a work Visa first.

Why not just open the plant somewhere within the EU, and only deal later with exporting your cars to the UK. Why would you do it the opposite way?

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

...and the funny thing is that Farage declares himself a "Thatcherite". Apparently he doesn't see the link between advancing neoliberal economics and the pace of deregulation, integration and economic globalisation.

Well one can promote neoliberal policies and have closed borders more or less. Heck one can even be an Imperialist, conquer other nations and kill groups of people and also be against mass immigration for the main ruling country.

Favoring free trade and all that other stuff doesn't mean you have to have open borders. Many nations do quite well and have tight border controls.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

So if you are the CEO from Toyota thinking about opening or upgrading a plant. Would you open it in a country that is outside your main market. The whole point of opening a plant somewhere in Europe is that you have easy access to the EU market.
Why would you open it in the UK if you have to pay more to later export your product into the UK? And you also cant have your engineers an Manager from the EU coma and work in the UK, they would all need a work Visa first.

Why not just open the plant somewhere within the EU, and only deal later with exporting your cars to the UK. Why would you do it the opposite way?

Manufacturing is largely dead in west anyways. You shouldn't be hoping to only attract manufacturing plants. The UK has more to offer then that. I think they will be fine. And find the EU apologists crowd to be hilarious with their sad tears.

Btw I supported the remain campaign. But hey its whatever.

 

[Sauron]

Multinational companies wont be pulling out of the UK. The people whipping up fear by claiming this have already had to put their dummies back in and have admitted as much..

You're living in a dream land if you think half those things will happen.

This is a loss of control. Not gain. That's the argument that people don't understand

Instead of working on important things well spend the next decade untangling from the EU. Tones of work for lawyers and compliance professionals. Not so much for the factory worker who benefits more so from EU linked investment.

 

[Ruprecht]

extreme capitalism isnt working aroun the globe. we can bail out the banks and major industries as many times as we want. then we can allow the same ppl to run them again, or run the EU or w/e silly org you wannt and expect a different result.


til you realize we need a totally different system. now just different ppl running the current one. not expansion of it worldwide. This is the UKs chance to change the world/save the world and lead the way, again.

you can stay stuck in the failing system and boo hoo ppl who want change. or you can get on board and try to find a better way. this isnt the answer but expansion and more powers to the EU is way worse.

"Leave" hasn't offered you a different system. They've offered you the same system, smaller and less powerful, outside the EU (plus vulgar libertarianism and climate scepticism if you follow Farage's lead).
It was stupid to peg your political dissatisfaction on the EU, they haven't been running your country.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Whatever useless shit that smug bastard spews from his vile mouth, I definitely won't be listening. I cannot stand that self-righteous ass-clown.

Am i the only one who notices that most leftists wear glasses.......whats with that?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The leftists are still whining like spoiled children on Twitter.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Am i the only one who notices that most leftists wear glasses.......whats with that?

It's because they spend so much time whining on the internet.

 

[Sauron]

The leftists are still whining like spoiled children on Twitter.

It's not a left vs right issue.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

I can understand that opinion. But I don't understand how people can argue it will have no negative effect on the economy.
All the other EU countries have to surrender certain rights to the EU in order to be part of its positive affects. But somehow the UK will be the same without giving up certain rights, how is that going to work?

why should a country have to give up rights to trade?? What is the agenda?? Do you trust the current politicians you have within your own country??


if the answer is no. how could you trust ones from other countries, with even less oversight???


Remain made it all about the economy. That is why Remain lost. The EU could work but needs to change. One thing about ppl with power, they often loathe to give any of it back. Its a legit fear, esp wit the obvious Federal goals the EU has.

 

[Ruprecht]

Well one can promote neoliberal policies and have closed borders more or less. Heck one can even be an Imperialist, conquer other nations and kill groups of people and also be against mass immigration for the main ruling country.

Favoring free trade and all that other stuff doesn't mean you have to have open borders. Many nations do quite well and have tight border controls.

That's fully fledged Vulgar Libertarianism. Free movement for capital, but lock down the worker. It's the precise reason globalisation is responsible for economic polarisation.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

"Leave" hasn't offered you a different system. They've offered you the same system, smaller and less powerful, outside the EU (plus vulgar libertarianism and climate scepticism if you follow Farage's lead).
It was stupid to peg your political dissatisfaction on the EU, they haven't been running your country.

but their end goal is to, is it not?? European countries are falling apart all around us, economically, but we are to trust that the EU is the only way to have a stable economy??

as i said, leaving the EU doesnt change the system or solve the problem. Staying would have created a much bigger problem and longer wait to change the system. Trying to expand the EU and its powers is the worst thing possible if we are ever gonna progress beyond this form of capitalism.

 

[Hard To Tell]

So if you are the CEO from Toyota thinking about opening or upgrading a plant. Would you open it in a country that is outside your main market. The whole point of opening a plant somewhere in Europe is that you have easy access to the EU market.
Why would you open it in the UK if you have to pay more to later export your product into the UK? And you also cant have your engineers an Manager from the EU coma and work in the UK, they would all need a work Visa first.

Why not just open the plant somewhere within the EU, and only deal later with exporting your cars to the UK. Why would you do it the opposite way?

You're living in a dream land if you think half those things will happen.

This is a loss of control. Not gain. That's the argument that people don't understand

Instead of working on important things well spend the next decade untangling from the EU. Tones of work for lawyers and compliance professionals. Not so much for the factory worker who benefits more so from EU linked investment.

But there won't be any new restrictions on trade or extra pay tariffs for Britian to face outside the EU. Markus Kerber has already admitted this and major manufacturers like Toyota, Vauxhall and Land Rover have all said they aren't worried about the situation. All the EU's threats, posturing and muscle flexing on the issue was just scare mongering to try and bully people into voting how they wanted. You guys need to stop swallowing the EU propaganda and stop being so scared and paranoid, it isn't healthy.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

That's fully fledged Vulgar Libertarianism. Free movement for capital, but lock down the worker. It's the precise reason globalisation is responsible for economic polarisation.

So what. My point is that the one does not equal the other.

Also, what are you some trade expert who also posts on sherdog? Because I doubt that is the case.

 

[Xuh]

This is a loss of control. Not gain. That's the argument that people don't understand

Loss of control how?

because the country could be less intertwined with supra-national organisations (corporations & EU institutions?)

that's probably a net gain of control IMO

unless you meant something else

 

[TheStruggle]

It's not a left vs right issue.

Tell that to leftists because they are the biggest crybabies on the internet right now because the people voted against big government, big business, and big banks. Irony