BREXIT Discussion, v3.0: World Leaders' Reaction After The U.K Voted To Leave The European Union.

[Ruprecht]

Turkey's chance of acquiring membership is practically zero.
But yeah, it's a bit depressing the amount of misinformation and manipulation, the leave campaign has had success with in spreading. I don't think they changed opinions with it per se, but I do think it's very sad that they didn't meet more vigorous opposition, and that the debate panels + media didn't insist on more integrity.
But I guess I'm just still salty.

Also the infamous "OUR SOVEREIGNTY!", which I have yet to see be explained in any greater detail than those two words. As far as I can tell their standard for "sovereignty", would also require that the U.K leaves the WTO, NATO and the UN.

God damn..

I couldn't care less about the Brexit itself. Aside from a worrying, global political trend towards empty protest politics. I just thought better of the Brits.
Knee-jerk nationalism and vacuous, populist politics is something I tend to associate with other nations.

 

[barehanded]

Mother Merkel just welcomed millions of "refugees" who are 75% male aged 20-30 years old and are prone to raping women.

When these people eventually get German citizenship, they will be free to waltz into the UK, UNOPPOSED ...

Which is great news ... If you're a cuck.

UK also welcomed many Pakistanis and similar peoples over the last few decades and actually gave them citizenship. EU never forced them to do it. Most EU members would never do such a thing. Because of EU so far UK recieved mostly Eastern Euro immigrants. So if you gonna have the same elites in charge, you could just get less Poles and more Pakis.

Somehow I'm less worried about the ethnic homogeneity of East Central Euro countries within EU. Over a third of babies born in the UK are not White British, and Merkel is not responsible for this. Migration from EU probably just raised percentage of Whites and Christians in the UK a little bit.

 

[Fawlty]

Turkey's chance of acquiring membership is practically zero.
But yeah, it's a bit depressing the amount of misinformation and manipulation, the leave campaign has had success with in spreading. I don't think they changed opinions with it per se, but I do think it's very sad that they didn't meet more vigorous opposition, and that the debate panels + media didn't insist on more integrity.
But I guess I'm just still salty.

Also the infamous "OUR SOVEREIGNTY!", which I have yet to see be explained in any greater detail than those two words. As far as I can tell their standard for "sovereignty", would also require that the U.K leaves the WTO, NATO and the UN.

God damn..

From an outsider's point of view, sovereignty is the second most common reason I'm seeing given for why people want to leave. The first being fear of immigrants and it's not close. By the majority, it's looking more like an ill-considered and hasty decision that people made just so they could feel good for a very short time. And in this thread, instead of positive arguments, it's overwhelmingly people in denial of their xenophobia while simultaneously expressing it. It's also troubling that your country is following a climate change denier. And we know "sovereignty" is basically a meaningless term standing in for fear. Very weird, emotional thing going on here. I worry this sentiment is close to overtaking the US.

 

[snakedafunky]

Well coming out of the EU is only the first step. Getting rid of one lot of authoritarian gloabalists will be a waste of time if we continue to vote for more of the same anyway. Now we are free from EU tyranny we need to start voting for people who work in the interests of the British people, not the banking cartels, big business and political elite.

But what makes you think the UK stopped the effect of globalization by being outside the EU? Globalization will still move forward because its a natural process. The 3 Billion asian people wont stop now trying to get their fair share and better their life's.
If anything the UK is in a worst place now, because multinational companies operating in the UK might overthink their involvement because they used the UK as a base into the EU market.
And the UK wont get access to the single market unless they also agree to the free movement of people.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

big test of the new Freedoms today.

Wales was doing well under the horrific EU Dictatorship. Imagine the besmirchment the FREE MEN of the UK will lay upon the Euro Cup now??

An all UK final will prove the Brexit was the right move!!

 

[Hard To Tell]

...and the funny thing is that Farage declares himself a "Thatcherite". Apparently he doesn't see the link between advancing neoliberal economics and the pace of deregulation, integration and economic globalisation.

And what the EU represents makes the Thatcherism look socialist by comparison. Hilarious how people who call themselves left-wing are amongst the EU's biggest supporters.

 

[Hard To Tell]

But what makes you think the UK stopped the effect of globalization by being outside the EU? Globalization will still move forward because its a natural process. The 3 Billion asian people wont stop now trying to get their fair share and better their life's.
If anything the UK is in a worst place now, because multinational companies operating in the UK might overthink their involvement because they used the UK as a base into the EU market.
And the UK wont get access to the single market unless they also agree to the free movement of people.

We haven't stopped globalization and as you say, globalization will still move forward because its a natural process. But at least now we have given ourselves a chance to give ordinary people a fairer deal in all of it with some of the power balance being restored.

 

[Sauron]

If anything the UK is in a worst place now, because multinational companies operating in the UK might overthink their involvement because they used the UK as a base into the EU market.
And the UK wont get access to the single market unless they also agree to the free movement of people.

Exactly. This is the one of the biggest issues for me. We could literally lose 1000s if not 10's of 1000's of jobs directly because of this decision. Companies don't care about the UK's proud history. Given a choice between Germany or Ireland and the UK they will go for the one with the least issues.

We join the EEA and accept all EU rules with no say on how they made. We also pay all the money we were already paying as well. So where is Tha magical 300m that were going to give to the NHS?

This decision is a disaster of epic proportions. Unfortunately it's happened in my generation.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

Europe cannot simply just cut off the UK. Everybody loses that way. The phony threats of the EU will be exposed as badly as Obamas phony "back of the line" threat. Meanwhile USA and Germany already trying to fast track deals with the UK. Prob because important ppl make literally billions trading with the UK. Its not some small market.

 

[snakedafunky]

We haven't stopped globalization and as you say, globalization will still move forward because its a natural process. But at least now we have given ourselves a chance to give ordinary people a fairer deal in all of it with some of the power balance being restored.

But how does it help? How does it profit ordinary people if you loose access to the single market? If multinational companies pull out of the UK? Wouldn't that affect working class people the most.

 

[Xuh]

Yeah we should trust in the wisdom of youth on this one.

LOL.

 

[Ruprecht]

And what the EU represents makes the Thatcherism look socialist by comparison. Hilarious how people who call themselves left-wing are amongst the EU's biggest supporters.

Not at all. Thatcherism is exactly the same economic ideology. Exactly. Economic deregulation and the free movement of labour go hand in hand, and in fact derestricting the movement of goods and capital, while restricting the movement of labour, only hurts the workers more. Farage is advocating neoliberal economics, while decrying the result.
The unions support the EU, because they getter better work conditions by negotiating within the EU than negotiating outside of it. With globalisation the employers/multinationals had greater access and mobility in the market than labour organisation could match. The EU has actually improved that, not exacerbated it. It might be a different story if there were any burgeoning local industries to benefit from some protectionism, as with the East Asian model, but Thacherism killed that idea cold. Worse for the Unions. Worse for financial services. Better for...?

 

[Goonerview]

UK also welcomed many Pakistanis and similar peoples over the last few decades and actually gave them citizenship. EU never forced them to do it. Most EU members would never do such a thing. Because of EU so far UK recieved mostly Eastern Euro immigrants. So if you gonna have the same elites in charge, you could just get less Poles and more Pakis.

Somehow I'm less worried about the ethnic homogeneity of East Central Euro countries within EU. Over a third of babies born in the UK are not White British, and Merkel is not responsible for this. Migration from EU probably just raised percentage of Whites and Christians in the UK a little bit.

True, but the next government will have to get immigration policy right next time. No more f**k ups. This referendum result has brought this issue to the fore front. Hopefully, Scotland leave the union ... I for one, am sick of them giving loony lefty parties votes.

I'd rather have full control than partial control with the EU.

A point system, filling gaps in our labour market with the best in the world will be the best way.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

But how does it help? How does it profit ordinary people if you loose access to the single market? If multinational companies pull out of the UK? Wouldn't that affect working class people the most.

how does it profit ordinary ppl to slowly give up their rights and freedoms to an outside entity that has profits, not their best interests at heart??

EU wants to be federal. Ppl are still alive and fought and died so the ppl of the UK could make 100% of their own decisions and not have somebody in Germany or Brussels deciding their fate. Now you want ppl who lived thru that to simply give up those rights without a fight??

or are we acting as if the EU going Federal isnt the end game here?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

I wonder what John Oliver's next piece will sound like.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I wonder what John Oliver's next piece will sound like.

Whatever useless shit that smug bastard spews from his vile mouth, I definitely won't be listening. I cannot stand that self-righteous ass-clown.

 

[Sauron]

Europe cannot simply just cut off the UK. Everybody loses that way. The phony threats of the EU will be exposed as badly as Obamas phony "back of the line" threat. Meanwhile USA and Germany already trying to fast track deals with the UK. Prob because important ppl make literally billions trading with the UK. Its not some small market.

Nobody is saying the UK will be cut off.

Structurally we will lose out because we will have no say in EU decision making affecting almost 500 million people.

So we pay the same money to access the single market. But have no say. How is that a good thing?

The US is not a benevolent friend. They'll have us over a barrel with trade negotiations - just lIke the chinnook and apache deals. They'll do over London to benefit NY. The EU will do likewise to benefit the own financial centres. That's basic bargaining for you. Our leverage and countermeasures are minimal as one nation.

Will airbus stay in Wales? Scotland referendum mk2. Will the car companies stay? Will we have another recession? Will companies stop growth and investment for the next few years due to the uncertainty involved?

Compared to the above I couldn't give a shit about immigrants.

 

[Thames]

Maybe they didn't like where it was going?

I sure as shit don't wanna see mini Islamic based societies spewing hatred and control over those who don't follow strict Islamic doctrine in my neighbourhoods.

Theirs nothing globalized about that.

Case in point I guess

 

[Hard To Tell]

But how does it help? How does it profit ordinary people if you loose access to the single market? If multinational companies pull out of the UK? Wouldn't that affect working class people the most.

Multinational companies wont be pulling out of the UK. The people whipping up fear by claiming this have already had to put their dummies back in and have admitted as much.

Being outside the EU means we have greater say in how government is run. We need to slash immigration and cut the huge surpless we have in cheap labour which drives down wages and working conditions. Now I know as soon as you mention the 'I' word certain people start foaming at the mouth and claim there is no down side to it, it's all good and any problems only exist in the minds of racists. Well these people can shove it, they have been rumbled, the problems ordinary people due to mass migration are very much a reality and now we can do something about it.

We can then also legislate to outlaw zero hour contracts which would be another huge benefit for ordinary people. Clamping down on tax avoiders will now be much easier as they were actually being helped and encouraged by EU schemes.

The other big thing is we can now avoid signing up to TTIP which would have resulted in the NHS being sold off and privatised.

It won't all be plain sailing but the idea that Britian will sink into crumble without the EU is complete scare mongering.

 

[Hard To Tell]

I wonder what John Oliver's next piece will sound like.