Boxing vs Muay Thai

[robjenkins2]

We would need a constant stream of prime high level athletes switching sports from boxing to MMA to MT to kickboxing to get any significant statistics on how it goes.

We have had zero do it. Even Holly Holm was past her prime when she switched, let alone old fat retirees like Mercer and Toney.

If a guy like Fury tried MMA, or Conor tried boxing, that'd be the first reasonable data point on a transition, in my opinion.

There's not enough evidence either way to make solid conclusions. Boxers could transition to mma or kickboxing though, more difficult the other way around I think.

 

[Mafanofe]

can you guys bring me a big mac?
the thread proved that you folks time traveled to 90s,it is less than 2 dollars...

 

[robjenkins2]

Boxing beats all.

Boxing is a great art but this isn't true. If a boxer doesn't know how to deal with kicks their legs are going to get destroyed. They are going to get kicked in the leg, body and head endlessly because the Thai striker has no fear of them getting checked at all so they can unload.

 

[ironfist05]

The one thing I will say is that boxing is truly international. MT is international to, but the best guys are Thai and with a few exceptions from the odd Japanese/Dutch/French guy, the best nak muays are pretty much all from thailand. That said, seeing a guy like Saenchai I can easily compare him to somebody like Floyd. Even as somebody with relatively little knowledge of MT, I can see that what he does is amazing

 

[Snubnoze707]

There's not enough evidence either way to make solid conclusions. Boxers could transition to mma or kickboxing though, more difficult the other way around I think.

Well there have been numerous stadium champs in Muay Thai, and non champs in Muay Thai that have won WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF titles. Has the inverse ever happened?

 

[robjenkins2]

Well there have been numerous stadium champs in Muay Thai, and non champs in Muay Thai that have won WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF titles. Has the inverse ever happened?

Not to my knowledge but I would say that has more to do with financial incentive than anything.

 

[Marc A]

Boxing is a great art but this isn't true. If a boxer doesn't know how to deal with kicks their legs are going to get destroyed. They are going to get kicked in the leg, body and head endlessly because the Thai striker has no fear of them getting checked at all so they can unload.

This is what kills me people believing boxing is about

Boxing is about distance, a great boxer knows his distance and where he needs to be to touch the guy

So elite vs elite I will give the boxer the upper hand .


Hell most top kickboxers these days use more hand striking than feet

 

[robjenkins2]

This is what kills me people believing boxing is about

Boxing is about distance, a great boxer knows his distance and where he needs to be to touch the guy

So elite vs elite I will give the boxer the upper hand .


Hell most top kickboxers these days use more hand striking than feet

Kickboxing distance>>boxing distance. I can kick you where you can't punch me. Kickboxing range is longer than boxing range by a decent amount. I've seen kickboxer vs boxer fights where the kickboxer doesn't even land a punch and stops his opponent. Boxers own the punching range, kickboxers own the clinch and kicking range. It doesn't mean that one for sure is going to win, both have a chance to win but a thai fighter or kickboxer would have the upper hand on paper. The majority of boxing matches are fought exclusively at punching range, which makes sense because that's what their rule and skill set permits. To your last point, they punch because their opponents know how to check kicks and handle body and head kicks, boxers don't.

 

[ironfist05]

This is what kills me people believing boxing is about

Boxing is about distance, a great boxer knows his distance and where he needs to be to touch the guy

So elite vs elite I will give the boxer the upper hand .


Hell most top kickboxers these days use more hand striking than feet

kickboxing is separate from MT is and is generally seen as a more simplified, dumbed down version of MT, so what happens in Glory/K-1/It's Showetime is pretty irrelevant

I'd actually say MT is superior at range. What boxing has over MT is the mobility of the fighter. Moving around and avoiding attacks to the head. Also, lol at anybody calling MT "rock em sock em robots"

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Not to my knowledge but I would say that has more to do with financial incentive than anything.

I think it's more sociological than anything. I get the impression that most thais who box get into it through muay thai. I suspect there are more opportunities to do muay thai from a young age than there are to box. I'm also not sure that there would be the same opportunities to make money at as young an age as there is in muay thai. You can potentially make more money in boxing but I doubt you can start making money as quickly. And in thailand muay thai gyms and boxing gyms are much more closely connected than they are anywhere else, so doing muay thai often includes doing boxing on the side and learning it under one roof. I don't know how many pure boxing gyms there are in thailand. If you learn to box in thailand I think there's a decent chance you'll do it in what is partially a muay thai context. And as a result, most of thailands best boxers have come from muay thai backgrounds. I think it's only recently that some of thailands olympic medalist haven't come from muay thai backgrounds. The closest to the situation we were imagining is when a fighter transitions back to muay thai from boxing.

 

[Queen B]

I think boxing is more applicable in MMA, but Muay Thai > everything in Muay Thai rules.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Boxing beats all.

You seriously are fucking stupid.

 

[senri]

can you guys bring me a big mac?
the thread proved that you folks time traveled to 90s,it is less than 2 dollars...

you have to take a step back every now and then...

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Boxers hands and footwork are far superior to a MT practitioner but in MT you can fire on 8 cylinders rather than 2. As has been mentioned it depends from fighter to fighter but I would expect the MT fighter to win most of the time if the boxers has no MT/kickboxing training in their past.
Teach a decent boxer some defensive MT (checking leg kicks, conditioning the legs, defending kicks) then my money would generally be on the boxer. They already have superior footwork so should be able to land at mid range and move, and boxers hands are generally on another level to MT guys from my experience

 

[Sunfish]

Can they bang bro?

 

[senri]

Can they bang bro?

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[robjenkins2]

Can they bang bro?

ha, my friend trained with him recently getting ready for his next amatuer fight here in central ohio.

 

[j123]

Teach a decent boxer some defensive MT (checking leg kicks, conditioning the legs, defending kicks) then my money would generally be on the boxer. They already have superior footwork so should be able to land at mid range and move, and boxers hands are generally on another level to MT guys from my experience

Don't forget clinching, thats actually the biggest thing MT has over boxing imo. Its also likely the nakmuay will be taller as well.

 

[aries]

If boxing > muay thai under muay thai rules, then everybody in muay thai would be boxing. There would be no muay thai

Fuck me you are using logic! That won't fly here....

 

[aries]

The Rock em sock em robots, is what I was talking about earlier when I said they just stand there and kick each others calfs.
There really is a lack of mobility and overall movement in Muay Thai

You obviously have never heard of Saenchai, he blows the whole 'Thai boxers don't move' shit right out of the water.