Boxing vs Muay Thai

[KillerIsBack V2]

Mecer beats a UFC ATG but lost to a kickboxer.

Mercer was also destroyed oundly by a UFC bum in Kimbo Slice.

 

[PivotPunch]

Someone who trains his sport is obviously going to be better at his sport than someone who doesn't or only trains part of that sport ho9w is that a question. If it's on the street or wheever and for whatever reason a MT guy decides to boxinsead of fighting tactically then obviously anything can happen but it isn't the norm

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Its not boxers vs Muay Thai ,.....its individual vs individual . The art itself doesn't fight the person does and whoever is better at their craft USUALLY wins . .

Some who trains his sport is obviously going to be better at his sport than someone who doesn't or only trains part of that sport ho9w is that a question.

That's all folks.
That's the problem with these kickboxing vs boxing vs MMA vs whatever sport.There are people who are good at any one of these and have done shit when tansfering to the other, and some that done very good after transitioning.

 

[nac386]

Not saying they do or don't, just an example. There is no concrete evidence one way or the other to be honest. All forms of fighting are effective.

We would need a constant stream of prime high level athletes switching sports from boxing to MMA to MT to kickboxing to get any significant statistics on how it goes.

We have had zero do it. Even Holly Holm was past her prime when she switched, let alone old fat retirees like Mercer and Toney.

If a guy like Fury tried MMA, or Conor tried boxing, that'd be the first reasonable data point on a transition, in my opinion.

 

[DeJulez]

Mercer was also destroyed oundly by a UFC bum in Kimbo Slice.

Mercer didnt prepare for anything in that bout.
He said hed assumed that Kimbo would just throw hands since thats all he ever did prior to that.
I believe that was Kimbos very first bout of mma and it was an exhibition.
So I think the outcome could've been very different had they ever fought again. The Sylvia KO proved that.

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

I used to think MT was better because 8 limbs > 2.

In actuality, it's about finesse and basic efficiency of application. Boxing stresses mostly the fundamental skills and refinement of them to a high level. Boxing has more overall offensive/defensive stability throughout, and a better more efficient overall posture for both delivery and defense. Refined hands are much faster and harder to see/block than anything else. It would be nice if boxing had elbows, but short hooks and uppercuts provide more than ample, versatile offense at close range.

MT has some of that, but is more based on athleticism and less on mobility, efficient movement and angles. Maybe it used to be more efficient in the times of Muay Boran, but now they tend to clash like rock em sock em robots in the ring and that's how it's taught (heavily stressed by coaches) as well. You are very open in MT.


Of course, both dedicated boxing + MT (added later/along with, after solid boxing proficiency is attained) is the absolute superior striking machine in most scenarios you might come across.


IMO

 

[DeJulez]

Watching Kimbo not land a shot on Mercer as the announcers yell "Elbows and body shots".
Didnt land shit.

 

[DeJulez]

I used to think MT was better because 8 limbs > 2.

In actuality, it's about finesse and basic efficiency of application. Boxing stresses mostly the fundamental skills and refinement of them to a high level. Boxing has more overall offensive/defensive stability throughout, and a better more efficient overall posture for both delivery and defense. Refined hands are much faster and harder to see/block than anything else. It would be nice if boxing had elbows, but short hooks and uppercuts provide more than ample, versatile offense at close range.

MT has some of that, but is more based on athleticism and less on mobility, efficient movement and angles. Maybe it used to be more efficient in the times of Muay Boran, but now they tend to clash like rock em sock em robots in the ring and that's how it's taught (heavily stressed by coaches) as well. You are very open in MT.


Of course, both dedicated boxing + MT study is the absolute superior striking machine in most scenarios you might come across.

The Rock em sock em robots, is what I was talking about earlier when I said they just stand there and kick each others calfs.
There really is a lack of mobility and overall movement in Muay Thai

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

The Rock em sock em robots, is what I was talking about earlier when I said they just stand there and kick each others calfs.
There really is a lack of mobility and overall movement in Muay Thai

Yep you are right. Those guys are easy to tag in the gym.

Lol

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Also, these days, everyone already knows about the MT clinch. It's easy to stay out of it, and not impossible to get out of it. Back when people didn't know what was going on, it was a lot more deadly.

With boxing, the moves are more refined and subtle. Also extremely rapid and hard to get away from unless you really know what you're doing. You can "know" what's coming but it's incredibly difficult to stop it from happening. Boxing experience (besides maybe full on grappling) is the only likely way out

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

High level calf kickers winning gold medals in the Olympics.

Somrak (Somluck then) Kamsing and "Thai Pea" Ponlid. Clearly cans that could never understand the sweet science.

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

Clearly, the Thais that did well in boxing actually understood and performed boxing well. You can't MT your way through boxing, that's not what they did. They did not behave or use the same skills that your typical MT practitioner does in the boxing ring. That's why they were able to rise and be effective.

Also, results not typical. Those guys were the very top level of talent, adaptability, individuality and genius, and good for them.

 

[SuperLuigi]

@Snubnoze707 @FokaiMuayThai @Kanka @SuperLuigi @Cocakillbana @AbeRudder Need I say more?

You don't need to add IMO. Just end it with "Fact."

You don't have to tell me C, the moment I saw Shannon Briggs using his advanced head movement to roll with kicks and knees in K-1 I knew he was a master of the greatest style of all!

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Sorry buddy. I just wanted to make it clear. Its great that you remembered the Shannon Briggs quote.

Just to let you guys know, Shannon Briggs fought with a kickboxer and dominated him. K1, kickboxing organization, was so afraid that he might tear through the competition that they kicked him out. I know MT and KB are a little different but this is an example of what happens when a boxer enters the ring with other strikers.

You need to write an authoritative book on the lost art of bullshitting. Trolling can be your sophomore effort.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Sorry buddy. I just wanted to make it clear. Its great that you remembered the Shannon Briggs quote.

Just to let you guys know, Shannon Briggs fought with a kickboxer and dominated him. K1, kickboxing organization, was so afraid that he might tear through the competition that they kicked him out. I know MT and KB are a little different but this is an example of what happens when a boxer enters the ring with other strikers.



Retired journeyman boxer tries his luck in K1 and guess what? Beats a top HW kickboxer and drops a MUAY THAI FIGHTER!





I can go on and on but let this sink in. No longer will MT/KB be seen in the same away as before.

Tom Erikson was a kickboxer? News to me.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

@Snubnoze707 @FokaiMuayThai @Kanka @SuperLuigi @Cocakillbana @AbeRudder Need I say more?

You don't need to add IMO. Just end it with "Fact."

Why no shout out for me?

 

[DeJulez]

Boxing beats all.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Boxing stresses mostly the fundamental skills and refinement of them to a high level. Boxing has more overall offensive/defensive stability throughout, and a better more efficient overall posture for both delivery and defense.

How the fuck are these not attributes of Muay Thai as well? I think you are making a lot of false assumptions of what Muay Thai is...

 

[maxpainis]

Boxing beats all.

A boxer will have no chance if this happens, but it depends on the rules and the individual, a general rule of thumb would be a boxer would get torn to shreds against an equally good Nak Muay under Muay Thai rules but will run rings around MT in boxing and winning on points, they will find it very hard to KO a seasoned MT pro just through punches though.

 

[Kanka]

Yep you are right. Those guys are easy to tag in the gym.

Lol

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Also, these days, everyone already knows about the MT clinch. It's easy to stay out of it, and not impossible to get out of it. Back when people didn't know what was going on, it was a lot more deadly.

With boxing, the moves are more refined and subtle. Also extremely rapid and hard to get away from unless you really know what you're doing. You can "know" what's coming but it's incredibly difficult to stop it from happening. Boxing experience (besides maybe full on grappling) is the only likely way out

 

[Kanka]

Just the fact that many muay thai fighters have been succesful in boxing but still lost plenty of times (in muay thai) to fighters with inferior boxing should tell you all something.