bodyweight exercise= full conditioning?

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im curious about this. i am a runner so i run alot . do some lsd and Hiit frequently. i do a crap load of pushups and pullups. if thats all i do, wat am i not conditioning. u can say abs, but truthfully the above 3 excersises all strengthen ure core and abs a bit and it adds up when u do alot. pushups and pullups = upper body cardio. and sprints and lsd= lower body.

is that all u have to do to be conditioned and to get good cardio?
 
im curious about this. i am a runner so i run alot . do some lsd and Hiit frequently. i do a crap load of pushups and pullups. if thats all i do, wat am i not conditioning. u can say abs, but truthfully the above 3 excersises all strengthen ure core and abs a bit and it adds up when u do alot. pushups and pullups = upper body cardio. and sprints and lsd= lower body.

is that all u have to do to be conditioned and to get good cardio?

It depends.. What kind of cardio are you talking about?

Fighting cardio? Marathon Cardio? Ironman Cardio? What are you trying to do with this "cardio"?
 
It depends.. What kind of cardio are you talking about?

Fighting cardio? Marathon Cardio? Ironman Cardio? What are you trying to do with this "cardio"?

all of the above. cant see to much i would change.
marathon cardio id the same, maybe i guess do a little less pullups, and just longer runs

ironman- same but of course practice in swimming and bicycling, but technically ure cardio would be fine.

fighting- same maybe more resistance on pushups and pullups + do them more explosively. but otherwise should be good cardio wise. of course need sparring and grappling and real training. but if u do pullups pushups and run, u should have a very strong base of cradio. no???

where am i wrong?
 
im talking conditioning = cardio. not conditioning like shin conditioning and stuff

I'm not talking about shin conditioning either. I'm talking about strengthening your muscles & tendons, increasing your bone density & developing your CNS. I'm not talking about kicking a banana tree until your shins bleed.

Conditioning and cardio are not the same thing. Muscular endurance and cardio are not the same thing. Training for a triathalon and training for MMA are not the same thing.
 
I'm not talking about shin conditioning either. I'm talking about strengthening your muscles & tendons, increasing your bone density & developing your CNS. I'm not talking about kicking a banana tree until your shins bleed.

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and how do u do this...besides drinking milk? and i guess stretching. which is part of every exercise
 
and how do u do this...besides drinking milk? and i guess stretching. which is part of every exercise

Lift weights, man. Even elite-level marathoners and triathletes do it. It won't make you slow or musclebound and it will help to prevent injury.
 
Lift weights, man. Even elite-level marathoners and triathletes do it. It won't make you slow or musclebound and it will help to prevent injury.

wow wat a specific answer. while lifting weights may prevent injury, i dont c how the same wont be fufilled by pullups. 2nd of all im talking about cardio so injury prevention isnt the topic of dispute. u do need stronger bones and muscles to compete for a long time. however, pushups pullups and sprints all stregthen and build muscle aswell
 
wow wat a specific answer. while lifting weights may prevent injury, i dont c how the same wont be fufilled by pullups. 2nd of all im talking about cardio so injury prevention isnt the topic of dispute. u do need stronger bones and muscles to compete for a long time. however, pushups pullups and sprints all stregthen and build muscle aswell

Bodyweight exercises and weight-bearing exercises do not have the same effects. Pull-ups and pushups are great exercises, but don't provide the benefits of squats, deadlifts, cleans, etc. If you don't want to lift weights, fine. But don't say you have all your bases covered without it.
 
Bodyweight exercises and weight-bearing exercises do not have the same effects. Pull-ups and pushups are great exercises, but don't provide the benefits of squats, deadlifts, cleans, etc. If you don't want to lift weights, fine. But don't say you have all your bases covered without it.

I don't agree. I don't lift weights at all. I do all bodyweight exercises. As as TS plus a bit more. I don't believe in the "you need to also lift weights to become awesomely fit". I don't touch weights at all and I can pretty much run circles around people in my gym. I can do anything they (the people who only do weights) can do and more.

I think bodyweight workouts are the best. I live by them. I've also heard some top fighters are starting to do only bodyweight workouts now.
 
Matter of fact, body squats provide (doing the right ones) what weighted squats provide. Of course you'll be doing more bodyweight squats than you would weights squats BUT.. your still building the muscles and toning them. The only difference is your not gonna have huge hams.. but who the hell wants to look like that anyways? You'll fall apart when you get older.
 
Bodyweight exercises and weight-bearing exercises do not have the same effects. Pull-ups and pushups are great exercises, but don't provide the benefits of squats, deadlifts, cleans, etc. If you don't want to lift weights, fine. But don't say you have all your bases covered without it.

#1 i do lift weights
#2 some proffesional ufc fighters do not lift weights
#3 correct they dont have the same effect. and if i wanted to build muscle the best way to do so would probally involve weights. yet i am talking about cardio and not building muscle. and for cardio u dont need to be huge or ripped , need some basic strength and muscle along with endurance and other stuff
#4. example nick diaz. great cardio not built like an ox. doesnt need to be to have good cardio
#5 u are arguing something else
 
Matter of fact, body squats provide (doing the right ones) what weighted squats provide. Of course you'll be doing more bodyweight squats than you would weights squats BUT.. your still building the muscles and toning them. The only difference is your not gonna have huge hams.. but who the hell wants to look like that anyways? You'll fall apart when you get older.

I see what you're getting at, but your logic if flawed.

Doing body squats will exercise the legs. So will weighted squats. We're all agreed on that.
However by positioning weight on your shoulders and squatting with it, the weight baring takes it's toll on the whole body to stabilise the weight, be it in different proportions depending on the stage of the squat (ie the glutes, hams, posterior chain and core with be straining the most when in the hole of the squat).
That cannot happen with a body weight squat as you are not baring any strain other then your proportionally distributed body weight (where what, 1/3 of your body weight is below your hips anyway).

I'm also not sure about why you think people who bear weight have huge hams. Sure some do, but it's not a norm and I would say people falling apart is a comment based on conjecture, not reality based facts.


edit again- please don't use the word tone. You lose credibility when you do.
Can You Really 'Tone' Your Body?

A simple google search yielded that.
 
im curious about this. i am a runner so i run alot . do some lsd and Hiit frequently. i do a crap load of pushups and pullups. if thats all i do, wat am i not conditioning. u can say abs, but truthfully the above 3 excersises all strengthen ure core and abs a bit and it adds up when u do alot. pushups and pullups = upper body cardio. and sprints and lsd= lower body.

is that all u have to do to be conditioned and to get good cardio?

I've read the follow up response and I think people are getting their wires crossed.

You state if what you do is enough to be conditioned and to get good cardio.

The answer shockingly would be 'good cardio and conditioned for what goal'.

Conditioning is very sport specific. Cardio (as in heart and lung efficiency) on the whole is not.
You can be an excellent runner, but that doesn't mean your swimming conditioning is up to scratch. Sure it will be good up to a low intensity/low volume point, because the muscle strain isn't going to be enough to slow you down because the cardio system can power you through. But if you say swim as fast as possible, you will fatique quickly (not sprint, that happens to even trained athletes, in this case swimmers), the same for if you swim a long distance. The muscular endurance specific with that activity won't be there so, even though your heart and lungs might be still fresh and raring to go, your shoulders and legs will be the weak link.

What one of the other posters was getting at re weights, was that weight baring strengthens the body that non weight baring exercises cannot. Walking and running and walking up and down stairs for example increases bone density in patients with osteoporosis, but in a healthy adults it will not as the strain involved in under the bodys theshold for adapation. However sticking your weight on your shoulders and squatting it (for example) will provide a strain on the body that will make it adapt by increasing in one example, the body density, so that it is more stable under those circumstances in future. The same goes for a host of other adaptions.
Push ups and sit ups will strengthen up the tendons and bone density to a certain level, but it will plateau because the weight it's having to deal with is constant (unless you put on weight, but 2-3 lbs over the weight bearing example of say 30lbs over a shorter span of time will yield more adaption, but I would hope that's obvious).
At the end of the day, having stronger joints, bones and tendons makes your body more resilient to lower levels of strain (which in untrained individuals, might be beyond their threshold and as such a tendon might snap or a bone might break).

Re core work developed through running. Again yes, but up to a very limited point. You've been walking and running since you were 1 year old. I think for those tasks the body is going to be pretty well adapted. An easy way to see how developed your core is would be to get a rucksack and fill it with 20-25kg and go walking. See how your core feels the next day.
 
#1 i do lift weights
#2 some proffesional ufc fighters do not lift weights
#3 correct they dont have the same effect. and if i wanted to build muscle the best way to do so would probally involve weights. yet i am talking about cardio and not building muscle. and for cardio u dont need to be huge or ripped , need some basic strength and muscle along with endurance and other stuff
#4. example nick diaz. great cardio not built like an ox. doesnt need to be to have good cardio
#5 u are arguing something else

In order to keep credibility in a discussion, please stop referencing professional fighters and examples of people who don't lift weights. I think I remember discussing conditioning and cardio with you ages ago and you used the same reference point..


Say out of 100 people, 3 people don't lift and get to the upper echelons of their chosen sport. But that still means 97 people do and do get to the upper echelons.

If you play the numbers game, from an outside perspective, would you chose the tactic that has 97 representatives, or would you chose the tactic that has the 3. No one, regardless of what is the point of discussion, will chose a lower numbered representative.
 
I don't agree. I don't lift weights at all. I do all bodyweight exercises. As as TS plus a bit more. I don't believe in the "you need to also lift weights to become awesomely fit". I don't touch weights at all and I can pretty much run circles around people in my gym. I can do anything they (the people who only do weights) can do and more.

I think bodyweight workouts are the best. I live by them. I've also heard some top fighters are starting to do only bodyweight workouts now.

Sorry, I see a new post and feel I should question things.

As such, how are you defining 'run circles around people in my gym'.
Are you more powerful then them? Is your endurance better? Do you run further? What else do you do that they do not (or visa versa).
Do you do stand up, ground work or do you competitatively run. Since this is a conditioning sub forum and the OP is a runner, I can't really assume anything about your activities.
 
and how do u do this...besides drinking milk? and i guess stretching. which is part of every exercise

I see your sarcasm, however your response was pretty piss poor. Why would stretching increase bone density or even tendon strength.

Calcium deficency will bring you up to a certain norm of bone density (specific to the demands on the skeletal structure), it will not go over that.
 
To decide whether you are conditioned you first have to decide how you are going to measure your conditioning. Is it about how fast you run? How far? About pushing the pace on the mats? In the ring?
No one is simply "conditioned". A marathon runner will be pushed around in a grappling match and a football player won`t last long in a triathlon however each of these athletes will have just the right type of conditioning they need to their own sport.
You can say conditioning essentially comes down to how well the systems of your body are able to create the energy your muscles need to perform these skills throughout a fight.(from 8weeksout.com) Of course change the word "fight" for whatever event you train for.
 
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