Bodybuilding routine for MMA fighter?

[Torak]

I know most fighters improve their strength and conditioning by using basic movements and execises, like benchpress, pullups, deadlift, squats, clean, barbell rows etc etc...

But I realised Alistair Overeem and Brock Lesnar were doing a routine more similar to bodybuilding routine.
Its true that Alistair was training more like strongman, but he was training also his biceps separately. Also you dont get arms like without directly training that IMO.

But I wanted to talk mainly about Brock Lesnar. I dont know how many of you saw the UFC all access where Brock was training, but he did 2 types of workouts there.
One type of workout was a circuit workout, I understand that, since endurance is important for MMA.
But what about the other workout he did there? It looked like a bodybuilding workout. He did peckdeck at the end and also there are many clips of him doing exercises like Seated cable rows, Latt pulldowns, dumbbell press, leg curls...thats more similar to bodybuilding routine.
Does that mean , that bodybuilding routine can also have some benefit for MMA fighter?

 

[NurseKnuckles]

Peckdeck = about 25-30 oranges. So yeah, I think peck deck should be part of every MMA fighter's routine.

 

[Flash_Monsta]

Fuck yeah, bicep curls are a vital in any routine. Whether you're an MMA fighter, or someone whos just looking to 'tone up'.

Curls for the girls my friend. Alistair was swimming in honeys, whilst out in Japan.

Plus theses guys fight with their tops off, they should try look alpha as fuck. A fighter who doesnt lift and is fat, will always be known at that fat guy who fights. If you do pec decs, hamstring curls for the girls, shoulders like boulders, tri's for the guys, quads for the broads.. you're not only going to be hard as nails, you're going to look the bee's knee's.

 

[ssdd]

Getting huge can offer some advantages, like looking badass which might intimidate your opponent, make you more marketable, and give you a confidence boost. Gassing out after 1 round will quickly erase those advantages.
If you train seriously, and look at all the things you have to do to be a successful fighter, you probably won't find much time or energy to train bodybuilding, and you probably won't find any benefit from bodybuilding that you wouldn't get from strength training.

 

[DrBdan]

This is a forbidden topic:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13/showthread.php?t=2210723

You aren't Brock Lesnar and you don't even have full knowledge of his programming so discussing it is pointless.

 

[StupidityKills]

This is a forbidden topic:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13/showthread.php?t=2210723

You aren't Brock Lesnar and you don't even have full knowledge of his programming so discussing it is pointless.

You're just jealous that he's going to be swole as hell.

 

[SingleSpeed]

I didn't know that performing seated cable rows automatically makes you a bodybuilder.

But the holy gospel in this forum is that nothing but barbell exercises with low reps will get you strong and/or athletic.

So the answer is: no. there are no benefits.

 

[NurseKnuckles]

I didn't know that performing seated cable rows automatically makes you a bodybuilder.

But the holy gospel in this forum is that nothing but barbell exercises with low reps will get you strong and/or athletic.

So the answer is: no. there are no benefits.

The only reason we're giving him a hard time is because its a forbidden topic. Asking us to speak for why an athlete does something is ridiculous unless you can speak for him or his strength coach. Or have some sort of devine knowledge.

The fact that he does cable rows, or peckdeck is fine as long as there is a good fucking reason.

If our holy gospel is not to your liking, then why come to church? Now go spread the good cheer of the f13 to all your crumby friends.

 

[bowlie]

I think certain exercises branded 'bodybuilding' could get a bit more love around here. Im sure there are plenty of exercises that arent especially wonderful for strength training, but are invaluable as assistance exercises, either improving the big lifts or improving joint health. Pec deck is not one of them.

Also, high rep strength training can increase endurance from what Ive read, so it can have its uses. But again, pec deck and bicep curls are not what im thinking of here.

 

[ripskater]

I think certain exercises branded 'bodybuilding' could get a bit more love around here. Im sure there are plenty of exercises that arent especially wonderful for strength training, but are invaluable as assistance exercises, either improving the big lifts or improving joint health. Pec deck is not one of them.

Also, high rep strength training can increase endurance from what Ive read, so it can have its uses. But again, pec deck and bicep curls are not what im thinking of here.

There are things to be gained by powerlifters from bodybuilders. You said it, bodybuilders are going to be looking at symmetry and having more balanced muscles in proportion. That can keep joints more healthy if you know what you're doing as you said. If somebody's physique doesn't look right, there is probably something that's off. I think there is value in that. Appearance can be an indicator of a weakness. Also their discipline of diet is something many powerlifters could use.

 

[yookfarb]

Brock is probably a bit stuck in his ways as a former pro wrestler.(image is everything)

However, when it comes down to it, as absurd and pointless as a machine like the pec deck is, it won't hurt you and certainly isn't going to nullify the decades of heavy barbell work that Brock had under his belt.

 

[TylerRyan]

Don't forget to book an appointment to get your new bicep tribal tattoo

That shit is key

 

[AnthonyRSS]

This is a forbidden topic:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13/showthread.php?t=2210723

You aren't Brock Lesnar and you don't even have full knowledge of his programming so discussing it is pointless.

Don't pee in his cheerios. Bodybuilders make the best MMA fighters. And if we all trained like the best fighters we could be the best fighters too.

 

[yookfarb]

There are things to be gained by powerlifters from bodybuilders. You said it, bodybuilders are going to be looking at symmetry and having more balanced muscles in proportion. That can keep joints more healthy if you know what you're doing as you said. If somebody's physique doesn't look right, there is probably something that's off. I think there is value in that. Appearance can be an indicator of a weakness. Also their discipline of diet is something many powerlifters could use.

Symmety, Balance, and perfect bicep peaks might win you a plastic medal and some nice opportunities for g4p cash, but it won't make you a world class athlete.

The reality is that athletes come in all shapes and sizes and your appearance and musculature should be a natural consequence of your training rather than the destination.

Here's some footage of the greatest fighter to ever grace the planet, a humble champion who was never so vain to be self destructive in his training and diet for the sake of his ego... Something "bodybuilders" should ponder over injecting oil into their asschecks and eating like women with mental disorders.

[YT]lVVrNOQtlzY[/YT]

 

[JauntyAngle]

I didn't know that performing seated cable rows automatically makes you a bodybuilder.

But the holy gospel in this forum is that nothing but barbell exercises with low reps will get you strong and/or athletic.

So the answer is: no. there are no benefits.

Yeah, bullshit.

The gospel here, if there is such a thing, is that your bread-and-butter for max strength development is the basic barbell exercises done in low rep ranges. For assistance and working on weak spots, it can be tonnes of different exercises including dumbbell exercises and cable exercises, and exercises done in high rep ranges. But it is not even really a gospel, since there are also people doing or advocating linear periodization programmes, which involve doing your main lifts in all the main rep ranges.

Read most of the intermediate programmes that people actually do, read people's actual logs, or, hey, here's a radical idea, read what they actually say, and you'll see this stuff again and again and again. Although I guess making an effort to actually look at things and try to be accurate isn't as much fun as making up inaccurate generalizatons and then trying to bash the forum with them.

 

[ripskater]

Symmety, Balance, and perfect bicep peaks might win you a plastic medal and some nice opportunities for g4p cash, but it won't make you a world class athlete.

The reality is that athletes come in all shapes and sizes and your appearance and musculature should be a natural consequence of your training rather than the destination.

Here's some footage of the greatest fighter to ever grace the planet, a humble champion who was never so vain to be self destructive in his training and diet for the sake of his ego... Something "bodybuilders" should ponder over injecting oil into their asschecks and eating like women with mental disorders.

[YT]lVVrNOQtlzY[/YT]

You're putting words in my mouth. Appearance doesn't win in athletic contests and I never said that. But it is a tool or indicator for athletes to help find weaknesses.

 

[JRT6]

White belt poster comes on here and makes a thread about wanting to bodybuild to help teh mma... so fucking tired. I need to make another account and teach tards how trolling really is a fine art.

 

[DrBdan]

Symmety, Balance, and perfect bicep peaks might win you a plastic medal and some nice opportunities for g4p cash, but it won't make you a world class athlete.

The reality is that athletes come in all shapes and sizes and your appearance and musculature should be a natural consequence of your training rather than the destination.

Here's some footage of the greatest fighter to ever grace the planet, a humble champion who was never so vain to be self destructive in his training and diet for the sake of his ego... Something "bodybuilders" should ponder over injecting oil into their asschecks and eating like women with mental disorders.

[YT...]lVVrNOQtlzY[/YT]

Symmetry and balance should be important to an athlete because asymmetry and imbalances often lead to injuries. An athlete would measure that by performance and not looks but the underlying idea is the same.

 

[SingleSpeed]

The only reason we're giving him a hard time is because its a forbidden topic. Asking us to speak for why an athlete does something is ridiculous unless you can speak for him or his strength coach. Or have some sort of devine knowledge.

The fact that he does cable rows, or peckdeck is fine as long as there is a good fucking reason.

If our holy gospel is not to your liking, then why come to church? Now go spread the good cheer of the f13 to all your crumby friends.

I will!

And my kettlebell fueled strenght endurance will take me further than many can imagine

 

[Fighting Sprite]

Brock is probably a bit stuck in his ways as a former pro wrestler.(image is everything)

However, when it comes down to it, as absurd and pointless as a machine like the pec deck is, it won't hurt you and certainly isn't going to nullify the decades of heavy barbell work that Brock had under his belt.

Pec deck can certainly be helpful. There are many strength athletes have used them to help keep their shoulders and pecs healthy. Since the worst thing that could possibly have in the weight room is getting hurt, it might be a good idea to throw in before or after some heavy pressing work.

Symmety, Balance, and perfect bicep peaks might win you a plastic medal and some nice opportunities for g4p cash, but it won't make you a world class athlete.

The reality is that athletes come in all shapes and sizes and your appearance and musculature should be a natural consequence of your training rather than the destination.

Here's some footage of the greatest fighter to ever grace the planet, a humble champion who was never so vain to be self destructive in his training and diet for the sake of his ego... Something "bodybuilders" should ponder over injecting oil into their asschecks and eating like women with mental disorders.

[YT]lVVrNOQtlzY[/YT]

Full of ignorance. Balance and symmetry can keep you healthy. To suggest you should accept your natural muscular composition is ridiculous. We have the ability to alter a person's body in a way that will produce the best performance, we should take advantage of it. To call optimizing the amount of muscle (you know the stuff that moves everything in your body) on your frame, and more importantly for your weight class, vain and self destructive is unbelievably stupid.