bob and weave

[shs101]

Who today do yous think implies a good bob and weave? I'm trying to find a list of fighters to study and even get a good thread going on the bob and weave or "getting low" when opponents flurry,as I feel almost as it's a lost art today, or shall I say effectively done.

Canelo Alvarez (his name is constantly mentioned but again he does all things right!) I feel like he has a good bob and weave, gets low effectively and under punches.




of course you can't forget Jack Dempsey who you can argue had the best.
Hard to find any decent pics but there is some footage on youtube.

What do yous think makes the bob and weave so effective? Why dont you see it more?

 

[nottingham90]

Interesting thread. I will say getting low and then bobing and weaving are 2 different things BUT you're on to something and id like to see more input.

Notice Canelos picture sound fundamentals even when getting low. weight is centered, head up and hands up ready to counter from there.

 

[Phlog]

I'm interested in knowing what people's views are on my situation. I'm taller than anyone I fight near enough. I'm at the top of my weight class. Is bobbing and weaving as useful for me?

Thinking about it I don't often see tall heavyweights bobbin an weaving, or is that just me being wrong?

 

[thehairyfairy]

I'm interested in knowing what people's views are on my situation. I'm taller than anyone I fight near enough. I'm at the top of my weight class. Is bobbing and weaving as useful for me?

Thinking about it I don't often see tall heavyweights bobbin an weaving, or is that just me being wrong?

Personally I'd say no, I'm 6ft when I'm sparring guys much shorter than me I prefer using the layback more than the bob and weave.

 

[Devonmac95]

I'm interested in knowing what people's views are on my situation. I'm taller than anyone I fight near enough. I'm at the top of my weight class. Is bobbing and weaving as useful for me?

Thinking about it I don't often see tall heavyweights bobbin an weaving, or is that just me being wrong?

it can be useful, but when i spar bigger guys and they are ducking down it just makes them an easier target, but of course it can still be used effectively, but its a lot harder for a taller guy to do it on a a shorter guy than a short on a tall

 

[WillW]

Tyson and Frazier.

They do bend at the waist as well, which can be a problem if not done correctly.

 

[Discipulus]

Personally I'd say no, I'm 6ft when I'm sparring guys much shorter than me I prefer using the layback more than the bob and weave.

Getting close and low facilitates counters more than getting tall and leaning back.

Also, Bennie Briscoe. One of the greatest fighters to ever not win a world title.

 

[thehairyfairy]

Getting close and low facilitates counters more than getting tall and leaning back.

Also, Bennie Briscoe. One of the greatest fighters to ever not win a world title.

Good shout, subjective nonetheless coming from a MT background is probably what makes me more prone to standing tall, I seem to counter well with the lay back right hand, so use it as my go to especially against shorter fighters with a shorter reach, different stuff works for different people.

 

[apizur**]

Getting low is not just defensive. Evasive head movement and changing levels can be two different things.

 

[ssullivan80]

Getting close and low facilitates counters more than getting tall and leaning back.

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I don't disagree that getting close and low facilitates opportunities to counter...... But i think that getting tall and leaning back can create just as many, and in some instances more opportunities to counter than being close and low..... particularly when there's a sizable reach/height advantage. It's situation specific IMO. However, creating countering opportunities with either option is far more effective if your able to do both....... typically, one facilitates/compliments the other.

Getting low is not just defensive. Evasive head movement and changing levels can be two different things.

Exactly!

 

[ssullivan80]

Good shout, subjective nonetheless coming from a MT background is probably what makes me more prone to standing tall, I seem to counter well with the lay back right hand, so use it as my go to especially against shorter fighters with a shorter reach, different stuff works for different people.

I too came from a kickboxing background and the lay back right hand or right over the top was my go to counter, being i too am a taller longer reaching guy. However, the only downside is that right hand counter thrown tall, or pull/lean back RH is a one off counter and is difficult to really get another shot behind it quickly when the opponent is the most defensively compromised...... Personally, i really wasn't able to get anything but a lead leg kick (low or high, without the switch) to follow that RH without having to take another step or reset in my stance...... which gave more experienced guys time to get back on the defensive. Further, experienced opponents picked up that counter pretty quick once they got caught and would anticipate it.

So following up on the prior comment (below/above), by refining my boxing and learning to shift onto the lead hip and add a slight drop in elevation (not necessarily getting low, just a slight level change to bring you closer to opponent), opened up opportunities. For me, that slight drop in elevation, coming onto the lead hip let me set up that right hand counter with a quick lead UC (UC's are tall guys best friend)..... which in turn made the right a far more damaging shot as the lead UC "teed it up" and let me really set into my right hand vs. throwing a shoulder punch (leaning back tall). I'd throw that lean back right hand counter as a 1 off shot, but then when the opponent expects it they will start dipping their head to avoid it...... hence, the UC is right there for the taking.....

Trying to learn to really "get low" as a guy who's accustomed to fighting tall is tough. But if you just start by trying to use that subtle shift onto the front hip and slight elevation change, you'll start to get more comfortable with really getting low and underneath your opponent.....even if they are much shorter. Being a tall guy, learning to get low and underneath a shorter pressure fighter is how you'll find you can really control the range and keep them on the outside much easier....... they'll either get hesitant and you can pick em apart from the outside, or they'll get reckless and just charge or lunge in...... that's when you can put them to sleep.

 

[Spirit Breaker]

Jose Torres had a good "bob and weave" style. Lomachenko looks pretty good too.

 

[ssullivan80]

Jose Torres had a good "bob and weave" style. Lomachenko looks pretty good too.

Lomachenko is a pretty upright fighter, he had all sorts of trouble with Salido...... even being the far superior boxer. Salido got underneath and inside on Lomachenko and he was awful uncomfortable and couldn't pick up Salido's timing. Crafty guys like Salido know all the tricks, been in there against tough guys for a long time and even when they are physically and technically over-matched (on paper)...... they know how to leverage the subtleties against an opponent without the experience. Salido got low and came in underneath Lomachenko, threw shots over the top and to the body....... really, he put on a clinic...... Lomachenko should've taken him apart........

 

[Spirit Breaker]

Lomachenko is a pretty upright fighter, he had all sorts of trouble with Salido...... even being the far superior boxer. Salido got underneath and inside on Lomachenko and he was awful uncomfortable and couldn't pick up Salido's timing. Crafty guys like Salido know all the tricks, been in there against tough guys for a long time and even when they are physically and technically over-matched (on paper)...... they know how to leverage the subtleties against an opponent without the experience. Salido got low and came in underneath Lomachenko, threw shots over the top and to the body....... really, he put on a clinic...... Lomachenko should've taken him apart........

Um yeeeeeeeah, I'm gonna go ahead and sorta disagree with ya there...well not totally, but I think Salido's performance was a little over valued. He was rough and sloppy and Lomachenko did not know how to pace himself properly, and wasn't really fighting with confidence until the end. When he did start opening up he did really well, but he did it too late.

Either way Lomachenko uses a high guard "bob and weave" in my opinion and maybe TS can get something from watching him.

 

[Token7]

Going to bump this thread as I was looking for more info on the weave....does anyone TODAY use this? I only see old boxing footage of fighters actually rolling/weaving their bodies to avoid punches. Did something happen in boxing to where fighters shouldn't do this? Im not understanding

 

[apizur**]

Fighters fight more upright today. Probably has something to do with it.

 

[Buddy Revell]

Going to bump this thread as I was looking for more info on the weave....does anyone TODAY use this? I only see old boxing footage of fighters actually rolling/weaving their bodies to avoid punches. Did something happen in boxing to where fighters shouldn't do this? Im not understanding

I think Shawn porter has a bit of a bob and weave style although hes a bit crude. And he does a good job of punching off of the B&W as he showed in the Malignancy fight

 

[Babba]

Um yeeeeeeeah, I'm gonna go ahead and sorta disagree with ya there...well not totally, but I think Salido's performance was a little over valued. He was rough and sloppy and Lomachenko did not know how to pace himself properly, and wasn't really fighting with confidence until the end. When he did start opening up he did really well, but he did it too late.

Either way Lomachenko uses a high guard "bob and weave" in my opinion and maybe TS can get something from watching him.

lomachenko goes more side to side with his upperbody angles, not necessarily low. he stands up well and packs in when he get flurried on, the bobs side to side with his whole upper body to find angle, and use it to facilititate (fancy word) his footwork.

of course he dips his knees, but he doesnt stand very wide which is usual neccesity when going low..