Social Black Panther (War Room Discussion)

[Tiny]

They most certainly did.

Spike Lee for instance. You’re either lying or being ignorant to cover up for you lying.

In the 80s you had the Cosby show and that was the first time on tv an educated and wealthy black family was depicted on prime time.

Spike Lee, sure. I remember headlines for Jungle Fever or Do the Right Thing. But that was more because of the subject matter involved in his movies. But not Coming to America. Not Beverly Hills Cop...or Golden Child or anything else. You are talking out of your ass.

This was 30 years ago. How many times do we have to re celebrate black people starring in a movie as it being something special? Another 30 years of blacks in film or... Maybe 60? How sensitive are Blacks that they need acknowledgement for breaking ground they've already broken?

Who was Richard Pryer? Who was Sammy Davis Jr?

Those guys broke boundaries. Eddie just took it to soaring heights. After that, a black actor could and was in any type/size of film possible. It never regressed.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Spike Lee, sure. I remember headlines for Jungle Fever or Do the Right Thing. But that was more because of the subject matter involved in his movies. But not Coming to America. Not Beverly Hills Cop...or Golden Child or anything else. You are talking out of your ass.

This was 30 years ago. How many times do we have to re celebrate black people starring in a movie as it being something special? Another 30 years of blacks in film or... Maybe 60? How sensitive are Blacks that they need acknowledgement for breaking ground they've already broken?

Who was Richard Pryer? Who was Sammy Davis Jr?

Those guys broke boundaries. Eddie just took it to soaring heights. After that, a black actor could and was in any type of film possible. It never regressed.

No new boundaries were broken sir, sorry.

You know you’re literally naming a handful of actors in a world that is predominantly white.

You’re not even making a good argument for yourself anymore.

Like when the Cosby show was on tv that was literally the only all black show on tv. So yeah blacks were underrepresented in Hollywood. And as far as rich black families go they were the only ones ever depicted on tv that were rich and highly educated.

 

[Tiny]

You know you’re literally naming a handful of actors in a world that is predominantly white.

You’re not even making a good argument for yourself anymore.

Like when the Cosby show was on tv that was literally the only all black show on tv. So yeah blacks were underrepresented in Hollywood. And as far as rich black families go they were the only ones ever depicted on tv that were rich and highly educated.

You know the United States IS predominantly white...right? Again...Blacks only make up 12 percent of the population. Should they deserve 50 percent representation to help placate BLM? Or would you settle on 40 percent?

If anything Asians and Latinos are under represented in Hollywood. Not blacks. But we don't placate either of those minorities because they don't fucking riot.

This is a non issue.

Where's the outrage that record studios don't showcase enough white rap talent? Do you know how drastically under represented white rappers are in the united states???

Holy shit it's fucking criminal! Fucking racist United States favoring mostly black rappers...the nerve! Whites should fucking protest that shit. Whites represent over 60 percent of the population and yet I would guess that they only have less than 10 percent representation in rap music.

Fucking racist blacks and their preference to wanting to listen to black rap artists.

 

[Son of Werdum]

Ahhh ya fucking dipshit, ya did it again.

First link;

"Wonder Woman" isn't the only movie to make the conversation happen. "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" made a choice to have a female lead. So did "Rogue One." We need more female leads like this, more female screenwriters and more female directors, but that's not where to start. The film industry needs more women in positions of power: more female producers and executives, like Lucasfilm's Kathleen Kennedy, who will have themselves represented the way they want to be seen. More women with the power to choose who tells those stories is the next step to providing half of the world's population more Diana Princes, more Reys, and more Jyn Ersos. "Wonder Woman" is a great start, but it's just the beginning."

To this I counter that Wonder Woman ISN'T the 'first' fucking movie to a woman in a "position of power". It's been happening in every other movie since I was a kid. It's nothing new. Go check Angelina Jolie's IMBD or Scarlet J's to see what the fuck I'm talking about. There was no new ground broken here. This is much ado about nothing and a false narrative created by the media. And dare I suggest that of the 3 female characters produced by female directors or producers...2 of them sucked and had no story or background to them. And 1 is a Mary Sue.

Stories like Ripley, in Alien was much more bad ass and fleshed out as a person than all 3 of these examples. So do we NEED it to be a female producer or director to tell a story of a bad ass female character?

Nope.

What we NEED is great producers and great directors -regardless of sex or color- telling great stories on film. And if those stories happen to be black or female then so be it.

You are correct though that I did in fact "google" Wonder Woman - Feminism because this is shit is months old and I didn't care enough to save out any of these links to my fav's because I don't care enough about this non story. And the only reason I'm actually revisiting this bullshit again is to slap you upside the face with this crap and to tell you that this was in fact the narrative media created when Wonder Woman was released.

Stay bitchy, bitchy guy.

WTF? You didn't respond at all to the fact that the article you posted had nothing whatsoever to do with what you said it did?

You just claimed the media is pushing Wonder Woman as a groundbreaking victory for feminism and tried to prove it by posting articles that had absolutely nothing to do with what you said they did. You actually just proved my point in doing so, showing that the media evaluated it based on its merits even when trying to search for an article about feminism.

That is an argument ending fuck up. You can write walls of text completely ignoring that point but I won't forget it.

 

[Tiny]

WTF? You didn't respond at all to the fact that the article you posted had nothing whatsoever to do with what you said it did?

You just claimed the media is pushing Wonder Woman as a groundbreaking victory for feminism and tried to prove it by posting articles that had absolutely nothing to do with what you said they did. You actually just proved my point in doing so, showing that the media evaluated it based on its merits even when trying to search for an article about feminism.

That is an argument ending fuck up. You can write walls of text completely ignoring that point but I won't forget it.

If one of those links didn't exactly have the narrative I was after? Boo fucking hooo.

I just quoted you the first link I posted and it exactly had the narrative that was driven down our throats.

So you can shove that "conversation ender" straight up your ass.

 

[Son of Werdum]

If one of those links didn't exactly have the narrative I was after? Boo fucking hooo.

I just quoted you the first link I posted and it exactly had the narrative that was driven down our throats.

So you can shove that "conversation ender" straight up your ass.

"I tried proving my point with evidence and instead proved your point. BOO HOO I'm still right somehow!"

In the future if you actually read your "proof" and not just copy random articles you find on Google you might not back yourself into a corner like this.

 

[Tiny]

"I tried proving my point with evidence and instead proved your point. BOO HOO I'm still right somehow!"

In the future if you actually read your "proof" and not just copy random articles you find on Google you might not back yourself into a corner like this.

Except I actually quoted the very first link to ya which actually has the narrative I remember as being spammed.

Ya got nothing sir.

Just your own delusional head in the sand when it comes to what the media and news was jamming down our throats.

 

[MicroBrew]

You know the United States IS predominantly white...right? Again...Blacks only make up 12 percent of the population. Should they deserve 50 percent representation to help placate BLM? Or would you settle on 40 percent?

If anything Asians and Latinos are under represented in Hollywood. Not blacks. But we don't placate either of those minorities because they don't fucking riot.

This is a non issue.

Where's the outrage that record studios don't showcase enough white rap talent? Do you know how drastically under represented white rappers are in the united states???

Holy shit it's fucking criminal! Fucking racist United States favoring mostly black rappers...the nerve! Whites should fucking protest that shit. Whites represent over 60 percent of the population and yet I would guess that they only have less than 10 percent representation in rap music.

Fucking racist blacks and their preference to wanting to listen to black rap artists.

Since the thread is about movies, when did Blacks riot because of under-representation in the movies and on TV?

So just because Asians aren't speaking out, Blacks should also keep quiet? Blacks speak out more, because they were/are treated a heckva lot worse than Asians. And unlike Asians, they were forcibly brought here, and have been here way longer. The Civil Rights movement and progressive attitudes on race and discrimination, which primarily was about treatments and attitudes towards Blacks, also greatly benefited Asians. Asians don't have to speak out much, because they benefit from Blacks speaking out. Asians - without expending any social capital - can just ride the coat tails of progressive attitudes that primarily came about because of anti-Black attitudes.

Recording Studios have plenty of White talent. You are singling out 1 specific genre of music and demanding Whites be equally represented in that, which is not an apt comparison to under-representation of Blacks in the movie industry because the complaints of under-representation is not focused on getting Blacks to feature in a particular genre of movie. How many country singers are Black?

 

[Son of Werdum]

Except I actually quoted the very first link to ya which actually has the narrative I remember as being spammed.

Ya got nothing sir.

Just your own delusional head in the sand when it comes to what the media and news was jamming down our throats.

That's funny, you say it was jammed down your throat but you already proved my point that it wasn't.

You, trying your hardest to find articles showing the media pushing Wonder Woman based on Feminsm, posted an article showing it being evaluated based on its merits instead. And that is actively LOOKING for articles on feminsm.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[ocfightfan]

I was excited to see it until the left started taking it from fun popcorn movie to hyperpoliticized nonsense, so I didn't bother to see it because I didn't want to validate the silly drama.

 

[Tiny]

Since the thread is about movies, when did Blacks riot because of under-representation in the movies and on TV?

So just because Asians aren't speaking out, Blacks should also keep quiet? Blacks speak out more, because they were/are treated a heckva lot worse than Asians. And unlike Asians, they were forcibly brought here, and have been here way longer. The Civil Rights movement and progressive attitudes on race and discrimination, which primarily was about treatments and attitudes towards Blacks, also greatly benefited Asians. Asians don't have to speak out much, because they benefit from Blacks speaking out. Asians - without expending any social capital - can just ride the coat tails of progressive attitudes that primarily came about because of anti-Black attitudes.

Recording Studios have plenty of White talent. You are singling out 1 specific genre of music and demanding Whites be equally represented in that, which is not an apt comparison to under-representation of Blacks in the movie industry because the complaints of under-representation is not focused on getting Blacks to feature in a particular genre of movie. How many country singers are Black?

Blacks riot about police brutality (warranted to a degree, but all cops =/= bad cops...) But then the rioting has just turned into bitching about everything under the sun. So we placate them with this white privilege nonsense and the narrative that they somehow are under represented in hollywood.

Blacks are not underrepresented in hollywood. Show me numbers. ACTUAL NUMBERS that tell us they have a lower representation than the 12.7 percent of their american population percentage and I will agree that should be addressed. Until then you are speaking in fairy tales.

 

[Tiny]

That's funny, you say it was jammed down your throat but you already proved my point that it wasn't.

You, trying your hardest to find articles showing the media pushing Wonder Woman based on Feminsm, posted an article showing it being evaluated based on its merits instead. And that is actively LOOKING for articles on feminsm.

Thanks for proving my point.

I didn't have to try hard at all when the first link actually proved my point. And you thinking you DISPROVED my point because you found one link that really wasn't pushing that narrative is neither here nor there.

Curious...do you remember the one theatre taking the narrative further by having their opening night premier of WW as to be female only?

What narrative did you think they were sending there?

 

[MicroBrew]

Blacks riot about police brutality (warranted to a degree, but all cops =/= bad cops...) But then the rioting has just turned into bitching about everything under the sun. So we placate them with this white privilege nonsense and the narrative that they somehow are under represented in hollywood.

Blacks are not underrepresented in hollywood. Show me numbers. ACTUAL NUMBERS that tell us they have a lower representation than the 12.7 percent of their american population percentage and I will agree that should be addressed. Until then you are speaking in fairy tales.

I am not making the argument they are underrepresented in Hollywood, because I don't know if they are. Not really interested in it.

I was just saying their protesting on other issues can't be compared to with Asians' relative lack of protests because the communities had different experiences.

 

[Mark Cutting]

Black dwarfs with microcephaly are over represented in the space program

 

[Son of Werdum]

I didn't have to try hard at all when the first link actually proved my point. And you thinking you DISPROVED my point because you found one link that really wasn't pushing that narrative is neither here nor there.

Curious...do you remember the one theatre taking the narrative further by having their opening night premier of WW as to be female only?

What narrative did you think they were sending there?

So are you saying now theatres are pushing the narrative instead of media?

Because you already proved that media was not pushing that narrative. Seems interesting to now claim that it was theaters pushing the narrative.

 

[Tiny]

So are you saying now theatres are pushing the narrative instead of media?

Because you already proved that media was not pushing that narrative. Seems interesting to now claim that it was theaters pushing the narrative.

No i already proved the media was, you are just incredibly thick.

Lol

 

[Stoic1]

I am not making the argument they are underrepresented in Hollywood, because I don't know if they are. Not really interested in it.

I was just saying their protesting on other issues can't be compared to with Asians' relative lack of protests because the communities had different experiences.

Soooo...

different culture hard to judge?

 

[Son of Werdum]

No i already proved the media was, you are just incredibly thick.

Lol

But you tried to prove that they were and in fact proved that they weren't.

 

[MicroBrew]

Soooo...

different culture hard to judge?

Different experiences. Mainstream America has never treated Blacks and Asians in the same fashion, so it is rather erroneous to suggest Blacks should act like Asians.

 

[Tiny]

But you tried to prove that they were and in fact proved that they weren't.

Except the quote actually proves that they most certainly were. This is just a case of you failing at reading English...again.

Stay bitchy, bitchy guy!