BJJ Superstar Gordon Ryan blasts USADA: "many of fighters are still using and passing tests"

[WHITE ANDERSON]

GORDON RYAN ALL NATTY BABY

 

[JustBleed69]

Thoughts?

Comical coming from the man who gained nearly 30 lbs of muscle in a year

 

[Pinchez]

wow. wall of ranted text.

they don't believe it is and they can't prove it is and he already served time for it. there is NO known doping protocol for tbol that would lead to his test results. you keep ignoring that there is more than just the actual test results that they need to evaluate to assess whether there was an actual violation.

i have no idea how long it's possible to detect. they know it's detectable for a long time and has a longer detection window (under current testing) than other ped's. there is of course NO validated long term studies on urinary excretion patterns of these metabolites to actually establish an ultimate detection window.

That's a whole lot of strawman arguments ya got there bud. Impressive.
However it's beyond obvious that Jones is a career cheat to anyone with fucking eyes in their skulls, he's had impossible T/E test results since like 2014 and tested positive multiple times for among other things, post cycle therapy drugs.
In what universe according to your almighty genius does this set a precedent to ignore his POSITIVE test results based on an unconfirmed HYPOTHESIS forwarded by said supposed corrupt organ, to give clout to Jones' pathetically bad lies, under something as asinine of an excuse like this absolute gem of a pseudobabble argument you came up with - "there is NO known doping protocol for tbol that would lead to his test results."
Well a tainted steroid would be one, among many, many theories held by many, many people wise guy.
This is just sad, especially when you mentioned they need more than just the test results to assess whether there was a violation.

Absolutely disguisting. And also, how much of a giant drooling retard do you have to force yourself to be to actually believe ANY of the bullshit you just pulled out your fucking ass??? Are you kidding me? Did you really say something about eating shit?

This is like me fervently insisting Russia meddled in the election because the FBI claimed they did. Whom should have a lot more supposed integrity than fucking UFC funded fucking USADA btw.

It is OBVIOUS to any one with eyes and ears that Jon has never not been on the juice, and there was absolutely no precedent scientific grounds or logical reason for USADA to come to the conclusion they did besides corruption. Live out your delusions man, GO GET EM.

 

[laugh@u]

what about it isn't working? why is it stupid to test athletes this way?

are you saying other leagues make it easier for their athletes to actually use PEDs so it's better?

Lack of understanding and science behind the actual drugs, inconsistent results, inconsistent punishments from athlete to athlete, ridiculous bans that were adapted from Olympic results, loopholes and gaps between wealthy fighters and unwealthy fighters. Other leagues understand that you can't 100% get rid of PED's, they are, and will always be, a part of professional sports. Even with that, you're argument seems to be that because the UFC is doing something that other sports leagues aren't, that it's automatically better, which is clearly not the case. At this level, everyone is on something. There's no such thing as a level or fair playing field.

 

[Phisher]

Fighters juiced to the gills are going to give each other MORE CTE and I'm being completely serious here. Steroids and endurance enhancing peds = more lean muscle mass and endurance, which means more striking power and output, which, in turn, means even more CTE. And this is without even considering the harmful effects of steroids/PEDs on the body like rapid buildup of arterial plaque, elevated blood pressure and complete destruction of the healthy lipid profile. Drug testing exists to protect the fighters from themselves, it is stupid and very shortsighted to call for its abolition.

Do you watch non-UFC MMA?

 

[kflo]

That's a whole lot of strawman arguments ya got there bud. Impressive.
However it's beyond obvious that Jones is a career cheat to anyone with fucking eyes in their skulls, he's had impossible T/E test results since like 2014 and tested positive multiple times for among other things, post cycle therapy drugs.
In what universe according to your almighty genius does this set a precedent to ignore his POSITIVE test results based on an unconfirmed HYPOTHESIS forwarded by said supposed corrupt organ, to give clout to Jones' pathetically bad lies, under something as asinine of an excuse like this absolute gem of a pseudobabble argument you came up with - "there is NO known doping protocol for tbol that would lead to his test results."
Well a tainted steroid would be one, among many, many theories held by many, many people wise guy.
This is just sad, especially when you mentioned they need more than just the test results to assess whether there was a violation.

Absolutely disguisting. And also, how much of a giant drooling retard do you have to force yourself to be to actually believe ANY of the bullshit you just pulled out your fucking ass??? Are you kidding me? Did you really say something about eating shit?

This is like me fervently insisting Russia meddled in the election because the FBI claimed they did. Whom should have a lot more supposed integrity than fucking UFC funded fucking USADA btw.

It is OBVIOUS to any one with eyes and ears that Jon has never not been on the juice, and there was absolutely no precedent scientific grounds or logical reason for USADA to come to the conclusion they did besides corruption. Live out your delusions man, GO GET EM.

Lol. A tainted steroid!!!!!!

The most logical explaination is that jones is doping continuously and flagging for a tainted steroid! Repeatedly.

Lol at many people having theories. Show me one credible source.

Lol at ufc funded usada. They are primarily funded by a large federal grant, and then the USOC. But I’m sure they have no interest in a credible anti-doping agency so they are super cool with usada doing whatever they want for the ufc. Because obviously the ufc would have dropped usada if they came to a different position on jones......

So, since you’re jumping in the deep end of the pond, who is corrupt, and what is their motivation for being corrupt, and why are they so public about it that laymen like you can identify it? And why would they be sure there would be no consequences to being publicly corrupt?

 

[kflo]

Lack of understanding and science behind the actual drugs, inconsistent results, inconsistent punishments from athlete to athlete, ridiculous bans that were adapted from Olympic results, loopholes and gaps between wealthy fighters and unwealthy fighters. Other leagues understand that you can't 100% get rid of PED's, they are, and will always be, a part of professional sports. Even with that, you're argument seems to be that because the UFC is doing something that other sports leagues aren't, that it's automatically better, which is clearly not the case. At this level, everyone is on something. There's no such thing as a level or fair playing field.

I still don’t understand your argument. Is your point that less testing is better?

 

[Pinchez]

Lol. A tainted steroid!!!!!!

The most logical explaination is that jones is doping continuously and flagging for a tainted steroid! Repeatedly.

Lol at many people having theories. Show me one credible source.

Lol at ufc funded usada. They are primarily funded by a large federal grant, and then the USOC. But I’m sure they have no interest in a credible anti-doping agency so they are super cool with usada doing whatever they want for the ufc. Because obviously the ufc would have dropped usada if they came to a different position on jones......

So, since you’re jumping in the deep end of the pond, who is corrupt, and what is their motivation for being corrupt, and why are they so public about it that laymen like you can identify it? And why would they be sure there would be no consequences to being publicly corrupt?

What's the precedent for dismissing a theory even as simple as that one again, tell me?
Was it that USADA can't come up with that from their impoverished imaginations on their own? That's the crux of his vindication?
It's not like there are plenty of underground drugs out there or that there aren't possibly other drugs that could possibly degrade into the same Turinabol metabolites right???? Lmao.

What a heavy burden of proof indeed.

Seriously, shut up and don't reply to me again. What you're saying is just too stupid. USADA can go fuck themselves.

 

[kflo]

What's the precedent for dismissing a theory even as simple as that one again, tell me?

as simple as that he keeps taking an undetectable steroid that is tainted with m3 metabolites that is causing him to flag? seriously?

Was it that USADA can't come up with that from their impoverished imaginations on their own? That's the crux of his vindication?

the crux of it is that his test results are consistent with residual amounts, they can't prove reingestion and there's no explanation from a protocol standpoint that would point to tbol.

It's not like there are plenty of underground drugs out there or that there aren't possibly other drugs that could possibly degrade into the same Turinabol metabolites right???? Lmao.

lol. yes, jon jones is taking underground drugs that continue to flag for tbol metabolites. because that's what sophisticated users do. they use underground drugs that repeatedly flag tests.

What a heavy burden of proof indeed.

Seriously, shut up and don't reply to me again. What you're saying is just too stupid. USADA can go fuck themselves.

lol. nice comeback. good answer. well thought out.

 

[Pinchez]

as simple as that he keeps taking an undetectable steroid that is tainted with m3 metabolites that is causing him to flag? seriously?

the crux of it is that his test results are consistent with residual amounts, they can't prove reingestion and there's no explanation from a protocol standpoint that would point to tbol.

lol. yes, jon jones is taking underground drugs that continue to flag for tbol metabolites. because that's what sophisticated users do. they use underground drugs that repeatedly flag tests.

lol. nice comeback. good answer. well thought out.

Ah yes. The "He wouldn't be that stupid argument". This is what you're arguing with. At the end of the day it's a scientific gray area isn't it? Can't prove that it is, can't prove that it isn't. But he still tests positive, and the "Pulsing" idea, is in fact a theory which almost completely confirms that his vindication for his latest brand of positive test results (so many after all) was political.

But your boy still tested with impossibly low T in his system some time ago, and for post cycle therapy drugs another time. He cheated when he fought Cormier the first time and probably when they fought the 2nd, and every fight in between.
Ofc we cannot prove that, just like we cannot prove gravity exists I presume right?

In the end I'll be the one laughing because I'm not the one putting my faith in a pathological liar and pseudoscience and conjecture. But keep having fun while you can man, it's entertaining to watch, if not extremely mind numbing.
Cheers.

 

[L.T.]

Juicehead is in favour of less testing. Shocking!

The gap between legit clean athletes and dopers is much closer when you have strict, effective, random testing. Compared to the gap between clean athletes and dopers when you just have basic pre-fight tests (IQ tests).

That should be common fucking sense.

What..?

19 people are pretending to understand that shit? Fighter A is allowed. Fighter B, say Gus, is not allowed. This is no longer a fair playing field. End of story.

USADA is now a tool to build stars.

 

[kflo]

What..?

19 people are pretending to understand that shit? Fighter A is allowed. Fighter B, say Gus, is not allowed. This is no longer a fair playing field. End of story.

USADA is now a tool to build stars.

noone is allowed.

 

[5thDimensionMMA]

GORDON RYAN ALL NATTY BABY

He’s fat now compared to
Those pics lol ,strong post cycle fat rebound

 

[L.T.]

noone is allowed.

Tell that to Andy Foster not me bro.

 

[5thDimensionMMA]

You really think that Holloway is clean? Dude cuts a shitload of weight and still has endless cardio. That screams PEDs to me.

I doubt it ,he’s just a skinny ecto that can do for days ..like nick
Diaz, they don’t have much muscle so it requires less oxygen to go hard

 

[kflo]

Ah yes. The "He wouldn't be that stupid argument". This is what you're arguing with.

your argument is that the most likely scenario is that he's THAT stupid. that he's a sophisticated doper who is stupid enough to repeatedly use a tainted sophisticated ped.

At the end of the day it's a scientific gray area isn't it? Can't prove that it is, can't prove that it isn't. But he still tests positive, and the "Pulsing" idea, is in fact a theory which almost completely confirms that his vindication for his latest brand of positive test results (so many after all) was political.

it does not confirm that. it is simply the most logical explanation for his results given everything we know, and it make it difficult for usada to meet their required burden to prove a new violation occured.

But your boy still tested with impossibly low T in his system some time ago, and for post cycle therapy drugs another time. He cheated when he fought Cormier the first time and probably when they fought the 2nd, and every fight in between.
Ofc we cannot prove that, just like we cannot prove gravity exists I presume right?

he has had 2 violations. both went to arbitration. you can read their conclusions in the arbitration agreement.

In the end I'll be the one laughing because I'm not the one putting my faith in a pathological liar and pseudoscience and conjecture. But keep having fun while you can man, it's entertaining to watch, if not extremely mind numbing.
Cheers.

i'm not putting faith in anyone. if it's proven he's been cheating this whole time i'll be fine. but it's laughable how people have latched on to the giant conspiracy as the most likely scenario. and get so mad at the notion that it's not a big corrupt conspiracy.

 

[kflo]

Tell that to Andy Foster not me bro.

i'm not sure what that means. andy foster allowed a fighter to use ped's? when?

 

[TapMachine]

they don't believe it is and they can't prove it

I wanted to write another in-depth post, but then I realized that this statement right here describes the situation perfectly. USADA has no proof that Jon Roids did not reingest, they believe he did not based on some completely obscure, non-transparent list of criteria they've pulled out of their asses and will never share with anyone. USADA believes the metabolites in Jon's samples did not originate from reingestion, but will never provide any definitve proof to the public (because no such proof exists in the first place). USADA are dealing out suspensions with zero consistency, which brings us to the accusations of preferential treatment, which is the core problem in Jon's case.

Before Jon's case, they were completely satisfied with punishing athletes based on the assumption that the presence of metabolites in samples implies reingestion and never gave anyone the benefit of the doubt... until they had to deal with Jon's case and Dana coughed up the dosh. So yes, USADA absolutely HAS to prove that Jon Roids did not, in fact, reingest in order to be consistent with their punishment policy. If they don't (and they won't, because they can't prove shit), no one with half a brain is going to take them seriously, their reputation has already been flushed down the toilet, as has Jon's.

And the funniest thing about that wall of verbal diarrhea you've produced is the fact that for all your posturing as an expert on the topic, you were not able to answer the simple question regarding the tbol long term metabolite detection window since it would destroy your entire narrative. You will never find a credible source anywhere stating that the detection window for long term tbol metabolites is at least as long as the time period between Jon Roids failed tbol tests on July 28 2017 and December 30 2018.

Your entire non-argument is based on belief in USADA not being corrupt and Jon Roids being a good boi and lacks any kind of evidential basis.

 

[kflo]

I wanted to write another in-depth post, but then I realized that this statement right here describes the situation perfectly. USADA has no proof that Jon Roids did not reingest, they believe he did not based on some completely obscure, non-transparent list of criteria they've pulled out of their asses and will never share with anyone. USADA believes the metabolites in Jon's samples did not originate from reingestion, but will never provide any definitve proof to the public (because no such proof exists in the first place). USADA are dealing out suspensions with zero consistency, which brings us to the accusations of preferential treatment, which is the core problem in Jon's case.

Before Jon's case, they were completely satisfied with punishing athletes based on the assumption that the presence of metabolites in samples implies reingestion and never gave anyone the benefit of the doubt... until they had to deal with Jon's case and Dana coughed up the dosh. So yes, USADA absolutely HAS to prove that Jon Roids did not, in fact, reingest in order to be consistent with their punishment policy. If they don't (and they won't, because they can't prove shit), no one with half a brain is going to take them seriously, their reputation has already been flushed down the toilet, as has Jon's.

And the funniest thing about that wall of verbal diarrhea you've produced is the fact that for all your posturing as an expert on the topic, you were not able to answer the simple question regarding the tbol long term metabolite detection window since it would destroy your entire narrative. You will never find a credible source anywhere stating that the detection window for long term tbol metabolites is at least as long as the time period between Jon Roids failed tbol tests on July 28 2017 and December 30 2018.

Your entire non-argument is based on belief in USADA not being corrupt and Jon Roids being a good boi who dindu nuthin' and lacks any kind of evidential basis. You're a disgusting cheater apologist, my man, and a joke no better than the USADA crooks themselves.

lol. again, anyone who doesn't believe in the big usada ufc corrupt conspiracy is a disgusting apologist. you're like a religious zealot.

lol at not being able to answer the question on detection window. no shit sherlock. no one can. i can't say it's 3 years and you can't say it's 6 months. you can't say it must be reingestion because it's beyond it's detection window.

and maybe you can explain what evidence would be sufficient for you to prove no reingestion. they have no change in biological passport, no detection of other metabolites, no material change in m3 concentration. what evidence is possible to prove no reingestion. you won't answer.

 

[laugh@u]

I still don’t understand your argument. Is your point that less testing is better?

It might be. The point is that clearly what they're doing isn't the way to go.

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

I am getting that from the fact that many other fighters (like Mir) have been caught with the same 60-80 picogram amounts. It's not like most ppl get caught with 6000 and Jon has "only" 60. No, most guys have 60-ish.

Lawlor was banned for 2 years for 17 picograms.
Yes, SEVENTEEN, not seventy.

Found this insightful on the dosage recommendations. It might not even be Turinabol he's on but some newer designer drug or part of a stack.
https://www.steroid.com/Oral-Turinabol.php

 

[Beans & Cornbread]

Any athlete who was tested multiple times by USADA and was caught, but not on the first test. The substance itself is irrelevant.


In other words, they can't prove shit apart from the fact that the athlete took roids, yet they baselessly (i.e. without actual proof) assume that some athletes reingested and thus should be punished while others did not reingest and should not be punished. Amazing work there, USADA, totally shows their complete lack of bias. <Lmaoo>


Which has to be actually proven, since the tests themselves are not 100% accurate. And no, I did not acknowledge your pulsing bullshit, because tests being inherently not 100% accurate does not equate to metabolites being undetectable at certain times, as this implies that the metabolites are undetectable regardless of the accuracy of the test.

Consider two scenarios:
1) Athlete A (who has a previous history of roiding) gets tested 5 times and in all of those tests steroid metabolites are detected in his system.
2) Athlete B (who has a previous history of roiding) gets tested 5 times, but the steroid metabolites are detected only 2 times out of 5.

Now, keeping in mind that the tests themselves do not detect metabolites with 100% accuracy, how can you state that athlete A reingested steroids while fighter B did not? Or, to put it even more simply, on what grounds do you state that fighter B did not reingest?

The guy who brought attention to the longer lasting metabolites for WADA gave it a 50 day max window.

Looking back at all the evidence it makes USADA look very bad. 2015, T/E ratios suspect, 2016 caught with PCTs, 2017 busted for PEDs, 2018 caught with same PEDs but its "pulsing", 2019 still pulsing how?