BJ Penn was Robbed against Machida

[robbie]

Yep, and Shogun was getting schooled by a legit kickboxer Cyrille Diabate, until he got taken down and smashed.

It just shows how many levels behind elite MMA striking is to K-1 Kickboxing.

Don't agree. MMA striking and kick-boxing are different due to the worries about TD, trips, tosses, etc. If they were the same, how come Overeem as K-1 champ gets his ass kicked and KO'd many times in the UFC? Reem was KO'd by Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Ben Rothwell and Stipe Miocic. Of these 4 fighters, IMO only Stipe is an elite striker. So how is it that a K-1 multiple champion is getting KO'd by mid-level MMA fighters? Not busting on Overeem, I like the guy and respect his talent. But they aren't the same sport.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Motivated BJ was the shit. Fought anybody at any weight.

 

[MescalineDreams]

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[That209]

Nah, the right guy won. BJ's performance was truly amazing though because of how much smaller he was. He gave Lyoto a real fight that night and that alone is a win in my book.

It was basically a LW vs. HW since Lyoto was fighting above 205 in those days if I remember correctly. If there's any fights in BJ's career that some people might say he was robbed, it'd be the first GSP and Edgar fights.

He wasn't robbed though because they were just very close fights. I had him beating Frankie, and I can't remember much about the first GSP fight besides BJ busting him up in the first round and then GSP stalled against the fence for the next 10 minutes or some shit.

If you want to see some robberies then go check out some Diego Sanchez and Leonard Garcia fights. Maybe a couple 'Decision Dan' Henderson fights as well. There's a big difference between a close fight and a robbery and it's really not that hard to tell them apart.

 

[AC1D1K]

no one can honestly say bj took peds. sorry he is not your precious x-man!

 

[105]

Never seen that fight before, Thanks TS!!! but how did you score that for BJ? he won the first and lost the 2nd and 3rd decisively IMO.

 

[Deleted member 509215]

Eh I had it for machida. Fairly close but it was the right call. However I have to say that was a very underwhelming performance by both guys, especially machida. Lyoto looked slow and sloppy, nowhere as impressive as I'd thought he'd be.

 

[sparkyjohannsen]

Eat my ass

 

[Rav7n]

My mind is still blown that the future UFC LW Champ fought the future UFC LHW champ and made it to a close decision.

We will never see shit like this again.

It's why bj deserves the respect for what he did..
He made me a fan when he ran to the cage.. leathered the piss out of Caol Uno and ran back out..
Legend..

 

[greedopl]

BJ won this fight

Dear God. You are fast.

 

[ninjatoekick666]

Well Machida identifies with his Asian heritage. He drinks his own urine.

BJ Penn has a white father, culturally he assumed the same culture as the oppressor. So while he may not be racially white, culturally, he is.

ignorance.for a sport influenced by asians, it sure has a lot of these white supremacist losers being into it, also im sure bj penn identify as hawaiian.

also ufc is notorious for bullshit decision against asians, nam phan, gomi,machida etc. not just in mma, but kickboxing too. roosmelon vs kiatmookao was a domination by the thai yet he lost because i guess glory doesnt want 2 thai champions..the lightweight champ, sitthichai had to win a 4 man tourney twice and beat the dude twice to be officially the champion

smh cant expect much from someone with a 2016 account with thousands of post and already been yellow card. fuck your life

 

[Redhawks100]

No but Sam Greco was robbed against Machida for sure.

 

[Thuckey]

Bj made it difficult for Machida to get a clean, clearcut win. That's about it.

 

[LEWIS540]

Don't agree. MMA striking and kick-boxing are different due to the worries about TD, trips, tosses, etc. If they were the same, how come Overeem as K-1 champ gets his ass kicked and KO'd many times in the UFC? Reem was KO'd by Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Ben Rothwell and Stipe Miocic. Of these 4 fighters, IMO only Stipe is an elite striker. So how is it that a K-1 multiple champion is getting KO'd by mid-level MMA fighters? Not busting on Overeem, I like the guy and respect his talent. But they aren't the same sport.

Overeem wasn't a "K1 multiple champion."

He won it once....in a (relatively) weak year.....in pretty fortunate circumstances.

 

[robbie]

Overeem wasn't a "K1 multiple champion."

He won it once....in a (relatively) weak year.....in pretty fortunate circumstances.

You are correct. Overeem competed for 2 years in K-1. His K-1 World Grand Prix Tournament results were third place in 2009 and first place in 2010. Notable wins include Aerts, Spong and Hari who are relatively big names in K-1. He got KO'd by Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Ben Rothwell and Stipe Miocic in the UFC. I hardly think Ben Rothwell could go to a K-1 Grand Prix and get a medal. My point about MMA striking being different from pure kickboxing is still valid even if I made a mistake that Overeem only got the bronze in 2009.

 

[LEWIS540]

You are correct. Overeem competed for 2 years in K-1. His K-1 World Grand Prix Tournament results were third place in 2009 and first place in 2010. Notable wins include Aerts, Spong and Hari who are relatively big names in K-1. He got KO'd by Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Ben Rothwell and Stipe Miocic in the UFC. I hardly think Ben Rothwell could go to a K-1 Grand Prix and get a medal. My point about MMA striking being different from pure kickboxing is still valid even if I made a mistake that Overeem only got the bronze in 2009.

K1 was all but finished in 2010. Hell CroCop is an official K1 champion too.

You are right about K1/MMA striking being totally different, but you seem to lack much knowledge of K1.

Though you are right, Aerts was a "relatively" big name.

 

[MirRocksFedor]

The fact that some fans don't recognize this achievement is even more mindblowing.

I never understand how someone could simply count this as another loss on BJ's record.

Well it is a loss.

And Machida was just starting out here.

Cool it happened.

 

[MirRocksFedor]

K1 was all but finished in 2010. Hell CroCop is an official K1 champion too.

You are right about K1/MMA striking being totally different, but you seem to lack much knowledge of K1.

Though you are right, Aerts was a "relatively" big name.

Why take away from an accomplishment? What about Huntos win? Hes been soundly out struck by MMA only guys

 

[tombombadil]

Don't agree. MMA striking and kick-boxing are different due to the worries about TD, trips, tosses, etc. If they were the same, how come Overeem as K-1 champ gets his ass kicked and KO'd many times in the UFC? Reem was KO'd by Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Ben Rothwell and Stipe Miocic. Of these 4 fighters, IMO only Stipe is an elite striker. So how is it that a K-1 multiple champion is getting KO'd by mid-level MMA fighters? Not busting on Overeem, I like the guy and respect his talent. But they aren't the same sport.

You're def right.
Overeem is a bit of an asterisk, though, as he has so much offence and weakest chin ever amongst great strikers. He could beat or lose to nearly anyone standing.
Technically speaking, though, what you said about worrying about other aspects is a big part of it, and, getting a habit of using those big gloves to create a blocking shell is another big part.

 

[yeguiza]

another delusional BJ penn thread?

already a sherdog classic!!!!!