BJ Penn Unsure About His Future

joeyjoejoe said:
Penn needs that W or else he won't be able to walk away.
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From one Joey to another, I believe the problem for Penn is that if he gets another W he'll take another fight. And if that fight ends in a loss, then he'll go looking for that W again.

He was the definition of a punch bag against Rory and I'd hate to see him stay in the sport so long that he has problems later in his life.
 
Mooner said:
I think BJ Penn should just retire at this point. It hurts because he's one of my favourites of all time.
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my thoughts too...because, while I know he COULD still compete at LW, and even contend, I just don't think he is prepared to do what is needed, which is to return to 155, join a legit camp full of hungry fighters at the lower weights (back to Nova Uniao would be good), ditch the cheerleading family in his corner, and rededicate himself to training and dieting full-time.

I just don't see that happening.
 
A rare clean fighter in a steroid era for sports and a two weight world champion, his legacy is secure. Grease gate tainted it more than anything.
 
If he wants to fight at WW, he might as well just let people beat him up for 100k.
If he wants to fight at LW, okay, but he's not going to be a force.
If he wants to fight at FW, BJ may be able to do some great things.

But regardless, BJ Penn should retire. His prime is far behind him, and he's got nothing to prove, and nothing to win. It is time for BJ to hang up the gloves, ditch his awful training camp, and finally be the lazy guy he always was.
 
I hope he fights again. I always enjoy seeing him getting beat up.
 
I don't agree at all with the people saying retire. Even with his lack of will to train hard or stick with a good camp, he's still a good fighter. At WW he's still borderline top 10 and at LW he is definitely top 10, possibly even top 5. That's just regular BJ with his talent and skill level even without good cardio and his other shortcomings.

In the off chance he gets with a good S&C coach again and/or a good camp, he shoots up a bit more and may even contend for the title again - though we all realize he's not likely to stick with that level of commitment for long. Regardless, he's a still a good fighter who can beat most LW's and a good chunk of WW's.

Are you guys forgetting the only LW fighter BJ's lost to in years is Edgar? And most people feel he's actually 1-1 in that matchup. Do you want every talented 34 year old fighter who is still top 10 but probably wont win a title (or win again) to retire? Should Edgar get ready to retire in a couple years soon since he's 31 and likely wont win a belt again?
Should Maynard (33)?
Should Koscheck (35)?
Should Fitch (34)?
Should Machida (34)?
Should Pierce (32)?
Should Simpson (38)?
Should Maia (35)?
Should Cormier (33) if he gets a title shot and loses?
Should Glover (33) if he gets a title shot and loses?
Should Barnett (35)?
Should Bigfoot (33)?
Should Rashad (33)?

Almost all of those guys wont even see a title fight again, let alone win one. Should they all just hang 'em up? Screw that. I like watching BJ and a lot of those guys fight. Hell, I'm still wishing Genki Sudo would make a comeback. I want to see my favorite fighters as many times as they can.

I'd prefer to see them fight as long as they want to and aren't getting punch drunk, etc. If they want to fight on then I say fight on. Because, whether I like them or hate them, I know they are competitors and one day they will be retired and they will miss getting into that cage. So they should compete as long as they want to and can at a pro level.
 
Don't want to see him hang around too long like Chuck did.

Baby Jay has been unable to defend himself and taking beatings is not a good thing for someone that doesn't need a paycheck.
 
Train with the Marinovichs and go back to LW.. Or stay retired..
 
155 if at all. He isn't even one of those that I feel should fight at 145. He'll just run into speed there, be treated like Edgard treated him.
 
Idioso said:
155 if at all. He isn't even one of those that I feel should fight at 145. He'll just run into speed there, be treated like Edgard treated him.
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Or he could walk through their punches, double leg them and crush them with his top game like he did to Pulver but its irrelevant hrs not going that low.
 
With that attitude he is done. There is no hunger there. Cant be playing with the thoughts of maybe I will if this and that and whatever. Gonna get hurt even worse. Need to want that belt or just a thirst for beating the shit out of people, and he sounds like neither. Its ova!
 
It's kind of weird how some people have "battered fans syndrome". I don't need to see past their prime fighters who don't take their careers seriously fighting anymore. It's a waste of time. I'm a huge Rampage fan but his unmotivated schlump has worn thin with me. I'm not shelling out my money to watch you talk yourself up and pull yet another uninspired performance. Why people want Penn back at 155 fighting in contendership or title fights is beyond me. Give more exciting, motivated prospects that spot. They actually deserve it. I'll be the first to say that Lamas and Zombie are getting screwed over and Pettis getting a shot isn't fair, but at least Pettis is a solid fighter who's going to go in and fight and not be a human punching bag.
 
If he has fight left, please let it be in LW... It is such a disadvantage for him fight in WW.
 
155/ 145 or retire, no more 170.
 
memphis0789 said:
this is just so wrong lol his level of talent is through the roof compared to almost everyone in any sport his work ethic and gameplanning are well below standard for the times. bj is still the best boxer and bjj practitioner the lw division has seen to date and his wrestling isnt half bad , but when your opponent is bigger stronger faster its hard to keep up with just talent. its the old adage hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard.
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Although this is a great post, you disregard the whole Frankie Edgar episode. BJ was bigger and stronger than Frankie, who had the speed edge. It's not like BJ got wrestled or held down, they were standing, exchanging and landing on both sides.

BJ never really hurt Frankie, in 50 total minutes of fight. Sure he had some moments, he countered some shot and slipped others. Yet he came short not because his opponent was bigger or stronger, but because BJ couldn't adapt.

He showed us a glimpse of adaptation against Jon Fitch and again came short. Sure that fight was against a bigger, stronger wrestler, I'll grant you that. Again, it was BJ's mistake to look for a fight against a top WW! Don't act like the UFC were pressuring BJ to call out Fitch, he did it to himself.

Once again, his pride demanded that he try to show the smallest, talented man can win against the bigger grinder but, sadly, this is not 2004 anymore. I put the entire blame on Matt Hughes, what was he thinking running into BJ's punch and making him think he could hold his own at WW? :icon_neut
 
Having not followed the sport when he was in his prime I don't really have the connection with him that some people on here do, so I really think he should just hang 'em up now. He has nowhere to go in the UFC right now other than ending up with young up and comers trying to make a name off of him. that's not a good way to finish your career, might as well just quit with whatever you have left.
 
He just posted on Facebook he's going in for his eye surgery.

Best of luck to him.
 
memphis0789 said:
this is just so wrong lol his level of talent is through the roof compared to almost everyone in any sport his work ethic and gameplanning are well below standard for the times. bj is still the best boxer and bjj practitioner the lw division has seen to date and his wrestling isnt half bad , but when your opponent is bigger stronger faster its hard to keep up with just talent. its the old adage hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard.
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I agree with this post. BJ is the biggest waste of talent that I have ever seen. He is so amazing, yet never really reached his potential. I think he could have been the best P4P to date. Iron chin, really heavy hands, incredible TDD, great take downs, off the charts jitz, flexibility, quick............what a shame. He accomplished a whole lot, but could have been so much better.......
 
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