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Bitcoin currency of the future?

You, me, Swami, Nik, RJ and Eisbaer need to start our own. Imagine the volume we could push (three figure acquisitions with precise coordination).

We probably could. I was kinda confused at the point of it all though. I mean who's going to buy it? Are they hoping one of the 200 people on that exchange are stupid enough to buy it?

I thought the whole point of it was to have suckers holding the bag at the end. Was funny watching a 20mil coin get bumped up to around 2 billion with a grand total of 40k though.
 
Any coins that have to do with the car industry or clean energy/electric cars?
 
Any coins that have to do with the car industry or clean energy/electric cars?

Power ledger.

Power ledger is a p2p energy trading system. It's been trialed but not released. It's from my country. One of if not the most interesting coin out there IMO.
 
You want peer reviewed studies on a brand new technology?


You want peer reviewed published research on the benefits of block chain to humanity? Ahahahahaha. Okay buddy. Thanks for letting everyone know you're not serious. It's brand new technology. There won't be these sorts of studies for some years to come.

And I said needless suffering. Needless suffering is objectively immoral. Morality is predicated on suffering. The holocaust was objectively wrong. If you can't agree with that statement, you're either a monster, or stupid.

The block chain is going to make things better for mankind in a number of different ways:
The main way is that It puts financial power and infrastructure back in the hands of individuals and out of the hands of banks and government. A huge potential for this is providing capital to underdeveloped places like Africa that do not have financial infrastructure. But guess what? They have phones. And when most of Africa has smart phones, they will have financial infrastructure in their hands and capability to change their continent. Liquidity and capital is what makes development happen, and Africa doesn't have that. Crypto has the potential to make all of that happen.

Then you come down to the benefits of individual projects:
With power ledger you are able to trade green energy directly from peer to peer. In a project like substratum you have the ability to create a decentralized internet, that cannot be controlled or censored by anyone (free expression and free speech directly benefit humanity, another objective moral truth). The list of potential goes on and on and on.

The fact that you don't even realize the benefits of the various projects out there tells us you haven't even researched this space. You literally don't even know what you're talking about.

If you don't even know wtf you're talking about why should any of us give a shit about what you have to say? You're just blindly hateful.

Provide any factual evidence, I want specifics, not guess work. I've demonstrated that it causes suffering, now you've got to justify that suffering. You claimed that these things will benefit mankind to justify the suffering. Its not my job to prove you right. How is it going to benefit mankind? That's a very vague statement.

Why do you want "internet that is not controlled by anyone"? You realise that's going to enable easy sharing of child pornography? How are those victims going to benefit from "internet that is not controlled by anyone".

Many medical advancements were made possible directly or indirectly by events of ww2. A lot of advancements in cancer research were only possible as a result of some of the things Germany did in ww2. Some of which, may never have happened without the needless suffering.
 
Any coins that have to do with the car industry or clean energy/electric cars?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_GmbH

https://www.statista.com/statistics...obal-automotive-original-equipment-suppliers/

http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-bosch-bets-on-iota-2017-12

Also Bosch, largest automotive supplier in the world (and multinational electronics company headquartered in Germany), is significantly invested in IOTA as are other several other large manufacturing industry companies. Bosch is not only invested but designated a personal company advisor to work with the IOTA dev team.
 
I haven't dodged any question.

How is block chain going to make things better for mankind? Provide factual, peer reviewed sources.

Poor advice led to 1 man (at least) make poor investment choices. Said man killed himself as a direct result. Suffering. The family of that korean man now has to live with the loss of a loved one. Suffering. They may also now be responsible for the debt he accumulated. Suffering. Now according to you, 1 person eating meat is the same as the killing of millions of people, as they both cause suffering. Well, spreading poor information about bitcoin causes suffering.

Now, many medical and scientific advancements have come as a direct result of suffering. According to you, that is objectively wrong. So, take away that suffering, many medical advancements are now not made. That, by cause and effect, leads to more suffering. Which of those is morally correct?
UN Forms Blockchain Coalition to Fight Climate Change
https://www.coindesk.com/un-forms-blockchain-coalition-to-help-tackle-climate-change/

United Nations Sends Aid to 10,000 Syrian Refugees Using Ethereum Blockchain
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-blockchain-used-by-united-nations-for-sending-aid-to-syria

UN Agencies Turn to Blockchain In Fight Against Child Trafficking
https://www.coindesk.com/un-agencies-turn-to-blockchain-in-fight-against-child-trafficking/

Unicef recruits gamers to mine Ethereum in aid of Syrian children
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...uits-gamers-mine-ethereum-aid-syrian-children
 
Provide any factual evidence, I want specifics, not guess work. I've demonstrated that it causes suffering, now you've got to justify that suffering. You claimed that these things will benefit mankind to justify the suffering. Its not my job to prove you right. How is it going to benefit mankind? That's a very vague statement.

Why do you want "internet that is not controlled by anyone"? You realise that's going to enable easy sharing of child pornography? How are those victims going to benefit from "internet that is not controlled by anyone".

Many medical advancements were made possible directly or indirectly by events of ww2. A lot of advancements in cancer research were only possible as a result of some of the things Germany did in ww2. Some of which, may never have happened without the needless suffering.

LOL. You're great!


"I believe blockchain technology is going to change a lot of lives but I don't think it's going to be bitcoin"

That's what people who know fuck all about crypto say. It's kinda funny to hear because most people in the market are trying to invest in that new coin which will be bigger than bitcoin.

It's basically a way for people try to make themselves seem knowledgeable by parroting shit they've heard from other people who know fuckall that is incredibly transparent to anybody who has even a small understanding of the subject.

You on the other hand...

You're so uninformed you don't even know the anti-crypto talking points that the other ill informed people parrot.

You're like a caricature of a caricature. If this was an evolution debate you'd be the flat earther.

Please stay.
 
LOL. You're great!


"I believe blockchain technology is going to change a lot of lives but I don't think it's going to be bitcoin"

That's what people who know fuck all about crypto say. It's kinda funny to hear because most people in the market are trying to invest in that new coin which will be bigger than bitcoin.

It's basically a way for people try to make themselves seem knowledgeable by parroting shit they've heard from other people who know fuckall that is incredibly transparent to anybody who has even a small understanding of the subject.

You on the other hand...

You're so uninformed you don't even know the anti-crypto talking points that the other ill informed people parrot.

You're like a caricature of a caricature. If this was an evolution debate you'd be the flat earther.

Please stay.

What would be the point of saying that? Block chain, and bitcoin have already changed many people's lives, some better, some worse.
 
UN Forms Blockchain Coalition to Fight Climate Change
https://www.coindesk.com/un-forms-blockchain-coalition-to-help-tackle-climate-change/

United Nations Sends Aid to 10,000 Syrian Refugees Using Ethereum Blockchain
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-blockchain-used-by-united-nations-for-sending-aid-to-syria

UN Agencies Turn to Blockchain In Fight Against Child Trafficking
https://www.coindesk.com/un-agencies-turn-to-blockchain-in-fight-against-child-trafficking/

Unicef recruits gamers to mine Ethereum in aid of Syrian children
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...uits-gamers-mine-ethereum-aid-syrian-children

Don't do the man's work for him.

Besides which, you've missed the point. I'm allowing the opportunity him to evaluate his position that being the cause of "unnecessary suffering" whether by direct action or by association, automatically makes you "objectively immoral".
 
What would be the point of saying that? Block chain, and bitcoin have already changed many people's lives, some better, some worse.

Yeah I should edit that to improve or useful.

Blockchain is incredibly useful even the anti-crypto posters like bonesjones concede it. Of all the things eisbar says to pick out this point as the one to argue against is pretty funny.

VeChain and power ledger are two of sherdogs darlings. They are both mentioned dozens of times in this thread. Their usefulness has been explained multiple times.

Half of the crypto discussion is this thread is how this coin will improve/revolutionize processes/business. Therefore it has value and you should invest in it.

Asking for someone to demonstrate something that dozens of other posters have already demonstrated in the thread is kinda funny.

Maybe read through the thread.
 
Yeah I should edit that to improve or useful.

Blockchain is incredibly useful even the anti-crypto posters like bonesjones concede it. Of all the things eisbar says to pick out this point as the one to argue against is pretty funny.

VeChain and power ledger are two of sherdogs darlings. They are both mentioned dozens of times in this thread. Their usefulness has been explained multiple times.

Half of the crypto discussion is this thread is how this coin will improve/revolutionize processes/business. Therefore it has value and you should invest in it.

Asking for someone to demonstrate something that dozens of other posters have already demonstrated in the thread is kinda funny.

Maybe read through the thread.

I'll backtrack a little. In an earlier post, he was comparing eating a chicken burger to the holocaust as both being objectively immoral, as anything that causes or justifies unnecessary suffering is objectively immoral.

I brought up that bitcoin has caused unnecessary suffering. He said it doesn't cause suffering, it helps mankind. I gave examples of unnecessary suffering and presented as opportunity for him to justify the suffering or conceded that causing or justifying suffering does not automatically make someone immoral, objectively.
 
I'll backtrack a little. In an earlier post, he was comparing eating a chicken burger to the holocaust as both being objectively immoral, as anything that causes or justifies unnecessary suffering is objectively immoral.

I brought up that bitcoin has caused unnecessary suffering. He said it doesn't cause suffering, it helps mankind. I gave examples of unnecessary suffering and presented as opportunity for him to justify the suffering or conceded that causing or justifying suffering does not automatically make someone immoral, objectively.

Saying it doesn't cause suffering is stupid. Even incredibly useful things quite often cause suffering.

I suffer if I step on a lego... The suffering bitcoin has helped facilitate....

The whole moral thing was a weird derailment. I'm with you on that one. Morality is a social construct. There's no way that it can ever be objectively moral or immoral.

I'm with you on all of these.

The prove block chain technology will be beneficial part was kinda funny though. I feel bad for being a dick about it but I still stand by it being funny.

Anyways if you're interested in how they can be beneficial and possibly get a good return on an investment I'd recommend you check out power ledger.

This is a post I made in another thread on it.



Power ledger allows people to sell electricity through smart meters to their neighbors rather than electrical companies through smart contracts built on the blockchain.

I'm from the country that launched it and I have no doubt that there's a massive market for its product here. We've been facing an energy crisis here due to political bickering turning off investors. No one wants to spend on big fossil fuel or green systems because the right or the left will slash incentives when they get into power.

We pay a shitload for our electricity and the vast majority of us get 2/5ths of 5/8ths of fuckall when we sell it back to the electrical companies from our solar.

Except for a small amount of people who got in early when the government was forcing the power companies to actually pay a decent amount for their electricity, like 3% of the people have solar . Those people make a fucking killing. I know a few of them, all of which have massive solar systems on their roof generating 2-5k per year.

Sounds crazy huh?

If you've never been here in summer it's almost impossible to understand but it's like there's a completely different sun in my country. My girlfriend works with a Sudanese woman who went to the doctor feeling sick only to find out she was sun burnt. She didn't know what it was. Lived in Sudan and had never been burnt in her life until she came here. Combine that sun with the highest prices on earth for electricity and it's not so crazy.

Only problem is most of us who have solar didn't get it before the government mandate on pricing ran out. So you get fuckall selling to power companies. With Power Ledger sellers get more for their electricity, buyers get cheaper electricity.

We already have more solar panels on our roofs per capita than any country on earth. We pay more for electricity than any country on earth.

This is going to be huge. Buyers win, sellers win, the environment wins. Maybe not so much energy companies but I can live with that. It makes solar a viable investment for individuals.
 
Yeah I should edit that to improve or useful.

Blockchain is incredibly useful even the anti-crypto posters like bonesjones concede it. Of all the things eisbar says to pick out this point as the one to argue against is pretty funny.

VeChain and power ledger are two of sherdogs darlings. They are both mentioned dozens of times in this thread. Their usefulness has been explained multiple times.

Half of the crypto discussion is this thread is how this coin will improve/revolutionize processes/business. Therefore it has value and you should invest in it.

Asking for someone to demonstrate something that dozens of other posters have already demonstrated in the thread is kinda funny.

Maybe read through the thread.

Veeechizzle my nizzle! Top 5 coin on the Market IMO. Their partnerships are insane.
 
Saying it doesn't cause suffering is stupid. Even incredibly useful things quite often cause suffering.

I suffer if I step on a lego... The suffering bitcoin has helped facilitate....

The whole moral thing was a weird derailment. I'm with you on that one. Morality is a social construct. There's no way that it can ever be objectively moral or immoral.

I'm with you on all of these.

The prove block chain technology will be beneficial part was kinda funny though. I feel bad for being a dick about it but I still stand by it being funny.

Anyways if you're interested in how they can be beneficial and possibly get a good return on an investment I'd recommend you check out power ledger.

This is a post I made in another thread on it.



Power ledger allows people to sell electricity through smart meters to their neighbors rather than electrical companies through smart contracts built on the blockchain.

I'm from the country that launched it and I have no doubt that there's a massive market for its product here. We've been facing an energy crisis here due to political bickering turning off investors. No one wants to spend on big fossil fuel or green systems because the right or the left will slash incentives when they get into power.

We pay a shitload for our electricity and the vast majority of us get 2/5ths of 5/8ths of fuckall when we sell it back to the electrical companies from our solar.

Except for a small amount of people who got in early when the government was forcing the power companies to actually pay a decent amount for their electricity, like 3% of the people have solar . Those people make a fucking killing. I know a few of them, all of which have massive solar systems on their roof generating 2-5k per year.

Sounds crazy huh?

If you've never been here in summer it's almost impossible to understand but it's like there's a completely different sun in my country. My girlfriend works with a Sudanese woman who went to the doctor feeling sick only to find out she was sun burnt. She didn't know what it was. Lived in Sudan and had never been burnt in her life until she came here. Combine that sun with the highest prices on earth for electricity and it's not so crazy.

Only problem is most of us who have solar didn't get it before the government mandate on pricing ran out. So you get fuckall selling to power companies. With Power Ledger sellers get more for their electricity, buyers get cheaper electricity.

We already have more solar panels on our roofs per capita than any country on earth. We pay more for electricity than any country on earth.

This is going to be huge. Buyers win, sellers win, the environment wins. Maybe not so much energy companies but I can live with that. It makes solar a viable investment for individuals.

I saw your post on it before, thought it had been filed away in the corners of my mind. Renewable energy, and specifically green housing, mixed with budget housing are topics I have looked into. Will have a look into power ledger at some point when I have time.

Here's a quick one for you. Could it be useful in making small communities self sustaining, power wise?
 
I saw your post on it before, thought it had been filed away in the corners of my mind. Renewable energy, and specifically green housing, mixed with budget housing are topics I have looked into. Will have a look into power ledger at some point when I have time.

Here's a quick one for you. Could it be useful in making small communities self sustaining, power wise?
power ledger is just a mechanism/system for the free trade from peer to peer of renewable energy. It still requires energy infrastructure but allowing free trade of such a resource is obviously highly valuable.
 
Markets looking up boyos. I think we found the bottom at around 300b market cap. Bounced off it and now we're climbing. Who's got predictions for total market cap by June?
 
I saw your post on it before, thought it had been filed away in the corners of my mind. Renewable energy, and specifically green housing, mixed with budget housing are topics I have looked into. Will have a look into power ledger at some point when I have time.

Here's a quick one for you. Could it be useful in making small communities self sustaining, power wise?

IIRC they did a trial on a small community and there's a vid out there but It's getting late here and I'm about to go to bed so you'll have to look into it yourself or wait for when I'm done with work.

In short yes. I think it'll do much more than that though.

Check out VeChain as well. Blockchain combined with other tech to eliminate counterfeit products and ensure customer protection.

Boxmining has a good video on youtube about it.
 
Check out VeChain as well. Blockchain combined with other tech to eliminate counterfeit products and ensure customer protection.

Boxmining has a good video on youtube about it.

But that’s not all they’re doing. They’re creating their own blockchain and moving off of ETH’s. This allows companies to create their own smart contracts on their chain and they will have to use THOR to do so. Holding VEN will generate THOR much like NEO generates GAS. We’re still unsure how THOR will work as I believe GAS is 50% of NEO’s market value. The VeChain (VEN) rebranding is going to take place on February 26th. They’re going from VeChain (VEN) to VeChain Thor (VET). Holding VET in their wallet helps secure the network which is why they distribute THOR as an incentive for VET holders. The circulating supply is somewhat high, but it doesn’t take into consideration how many node holders there will be. Holding a node (10k VET, 50k VET, 250K VET) gives you a bonus % of THOR. Really exciting stuff.
 
power ledger is just a mechanism/system for the free trade from peer to peer of renewable energy. It still requires energy infrastructure but allowing free trade of such a resource is obviously highly valuable.

Obviously. I had an idea for a project a few years ago that didn't really go anywhere, mainly because I had other projects and didn't have the time or inclination to investigate further at that time. This could be a possible solution for one of the problems I'd already identified.
 
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