Biggest Overachievers in UFC history

jamahal hill and jiri
i dont think they would even be top 5 in jones era
i mean phil davis alone beats them and phil didnt even became a champ
 
oski said:
Tommy posted this, himself...

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What's weird is that his fanboys still are clueless here, but it certainly explains why he was holding the rag on "the wrong eye."

Anyways, glad we could clear that up for you.
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It was both eyes. You still don’t know the difference between 6 and 2. You weirdos are obsessed.

Nobody at HW has done half as much as Tom plus most of them already got finished by Tom. Cope
 
Joe_Armstrong said:
I think Sonnen subbing Shogun was a bigger upset
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Ummm

The thing is when Forrest subbed shogun it was right after the 2005 gp no? Was that not the height of shogun's career?

Chael didn't beat him till 5 years or so after Griffen, Shogun was in decline for a while before he lost to Chael. Though skills wise I see what you mean
 
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No Skill Gap said:
Bobby Southworth was the heavy favorite to win LHW on season 1 of TUF. I don't think Griffin was considered shit though, to your point, but he wasn't the best prospect on the show. But your point does make sense in that TUF season 1 had a ton of talent and top tier prospects unlike later into the show. So I actually do agree with you.

It was not a case of average joes and random guys fighting for a chance to make the UFC. That was prime regional or even other major-ish promotion level talent, they stocked it up for the show. And obviously it showed because Florian fought for the title twice in two different divisions, Griffin became LHW champ, Bonnar was a top 10 fighter long career, Koscheck top 3-5 WW fight for the title, Diego Sanchez long career fought for the title, Nate Quarry title fight and good little run, Chris Leben legit UFC fighter some nice moments/brawls, etc.

The only other season of TUF not coincidentally to have that much talent was when they created BW and FW divisions after merging with WEC with season 14. So yeah, long story short I don't know if Griffin "overachieved" per se. Maybe because he's a goofy fun loving guy and he did win the belt then get starched by Silva on a highlight reel matrix goofily - you can come to that conclusion then. But he was never some bum.
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Seasons 1 through 4 all had a future champion and season five have Nate Diaz amd Gray Maynard.... the show was stacked for five seasons in a row... not 1
 
Xoleth said:
Charles
He was 4-4 in UFC at first.
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Not sure I agree here. In the grappling department he's basically second to none if not maybe Makhachev. He was underachieving if anything until he managed to put it all together. Saying this as a massive fan, he's my favourite fighter.
To me it's clear he had all the talent to be a champion. Not really the profile of an overachiever.
 
Mmmmmmma1234 said:
Matt winning the show was already over achieving he was picked to lose Carter a 2nd time and Lytle was a big favourite.
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but 'overachieving' against lytle and shonie carter does not make you 'biggest overachiever in ufc history' (per thread title).
 
Here's Johnny! said:
Seasons 1 through 4 all had a future champion and season five have Nate Diaz amd Gray Maynard.... the show was stacked for five seasons in a row... not 1
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TUF 4 was the comeback season where they arbitrarily gifted a title shot to the winners of the show, and Matt Serra did win the belt but in flukey, lucky fashion. I think that's a stretch, the talent level of that season wasn't comparable to 1.

Yeah TUF 2 and 3 had champions in Evans and Bisping, had some talent here and there in Hamill/Guillard, I just don't think it's comparable to season 1. Either way my point isn't to compare per se, it's to say season 1 was stacked and Griffin was a good fighter/prospect on the scene, not some bum.
 
No Skill Gap said:
TUF 4 was the comeback season where they arbitrarily gifted a title shot to the winners of the show, and Matt Serra did win the belt but in flukey, lucky fashion. I think that's a stretch, the talent level of that season wasn't comparable to 1.

Yeah TUF 2 and 3 had champions in Evans and Bisping, had some talent here and there in Hamill/Guillard, I just don't think it's comparable to season 1. Either way my point isn't to compare per se, it's to say season 1 was stacked and Griffin was a good fighter/prospect on the scene, not some bum.
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I agree with you, Forrest Griffin was a respected fighter... I think he is mostly just called an overachiever because noone saw him beating Shogun and Rampage.
 
Matt Serra was always too small for every division he fought in, especially WW, yet he won the comeback TUF, beating a very game Chris Lytle to earn a title shot, then he beat prime GSP.



I'll also add Rashad Evans. That dude just never looked impressive, yet somehow he kept winning. He was way too small for the HW TUF, yet he won it. Then he kept winning at LHW too. Eventually I had to force myself to stop underestimating the guy. He became the LHW champ and picked up wins over huge names along the way.
 
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