Best MMA takedowns for a tall and lanky guy?

[GoodbyeBlueSky82]

Uchi mata ankle pick. Trips and sweeps from the clinch as well. Look into lateral drops, especially what's called a screwlock throw. That move is criminally underrated.

I'm not that tall (5'11) but I am a big guy. I like the uchi mata ankle pick (under hook their left side, hit their left leg, and then pick their opposite ankle with your free hand when they step out). I like it especially in no gi, for the very reason that changing levels fast enough as a big guy is hard, and grabbing that ankle is easy when they are tied up worrying about the underhook or their other leg.

 

[aries]

This kind of takedown lets you combine striking & takedowns a lot more seamlessly than throws or shooting doubles & singles too especially if you aren't very explosive.
Its so much easier to mix them in with strikes, feints and striking in to the clinch to quickly have people confused whether you're striking, looking to clinch or hitting a takedown off the same movement. You can set a rhythm, create a pattern then hit takedowns when they're expecting a strike or land good shots when they start reacting to a takedown that never comes.

Definitely which is why we see it more often in MMA.

 

[tekkenfan]

i also find otsoto gari to not be very good at pro level anytime you step across your risking being mat returned ect thats why u hardly see it happen

 

[rmongler]

The step around, getting your hip behind their hip, and turning them over that side, is what i would call the canonical takedown against the cage. Some recent examples would be Khamzat Chimaev vs Rhys Mckee and Makwan Amirkhani vs Danny Henry, both using an under hook, but there are many more than can be mentioned, with either an underhook, ura nage style, or over/under on the overhook side, kosoto style.

 

[tekkenfan]

The step around, getting your hip behind their hip, and turning them over that side, is what i would call the canonical takedown against the cage. A recent example would be Makwan Amirkhani vs Danny Henry, with a under hook, but there are many more than can be mentioned, with either an underhook, ura nage style, or over/under on the overhook side, kosoto style.

polish throw?

 

[rmongler]

polish throw?

Ye

 

[shunyata]

I'm not that tall (5'11) but I am a big guy. I like the uchi mata ankle pick (under hook their left side, hit their left leg, and then pick their opposite ankle with your free hand when they step out). I like it especially in no gi, for the very reason that changing levels fast enough as a big guy is hard, and grabbing that ankle is easy when they are tied up worrying about the underhook or their other leg.

Hit that leg with a ko soto gari off the uchi mata feint next.

Best part is, ko soto gari can feed the ankle to your hands.

You can also hit the rolling kneebar off uchi mata feint.

Make a game around it.

 

[KOMRADE]

I'm 6.3 175 pounds (you can imagine me like a Luis Pena when he isn't cutting weight) and I always had problems with taking people down.
I'm now having some success with ankle picks and gi based takedowns in bjj, but I can't get anything going in mma.
Doubles are a nightmare, there is so much distance to travel down that you see me coming from a mile away, therefore I get sprawled on or guillotined, ankle picks are very difficult with all the striking etc. and judo type takedowns are very hard without a gi and with strikes... I feel like you have to be a very high level judo player to hit them in mma, which I am not...
The only takedown strategy that has been working for me lately is catching kicks, which obviously isn't sufficient.

Get head control with a guillotine and hit your osoto gari, also dont shoot but snatch instead

 

[KOMRADE]

tbh ankle picks are kinda hard to land in mma i feel having to control the collar tie and change levels drastically to hit it knee taps are good cause only slight elevation is needed and can be done off a underhook

Hold on to the head after a snap and knee block, ankle pick or brasagger, if you miss use the low single shoulder lever and drive like mad

 

[KOMRADE]

Body locks and outside trips. Set them up with your low kick

Americans dont know much about the outside trip/kosoto gake but its an awesome series, they seem to use the leg hook on the ground but wrestlers are too worried about getting pinned off a counter inside trip it seems so they never seem to develop it

 

[KOMRADE]

I'm not that tall (5'11) but I am a big guy. I like the uchi mata ankle pick (under hook their left side, hit their left leg, and then pick their opposite ankle with your free hand when they step out). I like it especially in no gi, for the very reason that changing levels fast enough as a big guy is hard, and grabbing that ankle is easy when they are tied up worrying about the underhook or their other leg.

Short and strong=crotch lift and body lock, get front headlock when they start oversprawling and snap down/run around!

 

[tekkenfan]

Hold on to the head after a snap and knee block, ankle pick or brasagger, if you miss use the low single shoulder lever and drive like mad

you rarely see guys use a collar tie in top level mma usually its against the fence working on dirty boxing but trying to bring someones head down to hit a knee tap in the center of the cage just never happens at top levels

 

[KOMRADE]

you rarely see guys use a collar tie in top level mma usually its against the fence working on dirty boxing but trying to bring someones head down to hit a knee tap in the center of the cage just never happens at top levels

Its a great wear down strategy but we will likely see less and less standard wrestling out of MMA as it becomes more or less a Muay Thai match, so many rulesets punish grappling and the promoters want to see a slugfest. Frankly all you need to do is escape or stall in guard once you've been grounded and thats pretty easy.
Sprawling out after you get head control will give you plenty of shots as knee blocks and ankle picks and since hes crunched he cant throw a knee for crap

 

[Judochopatemi]

Not sure....

I know short people spammed doubled leg takedowns since I was in my diapers. It was a pretty crafty way to nullify my height advantage.

 

[KOMRADE]

The step around, getting your hip behind their hip, and turning them over that side, is what i would call the canonical takedown against the cage. Some recent examples would be Khamzat Chimaev vs Rhys Mckee and Makwan Amirkhani vs Danny Henry, both using an under hook, but there are many more than can be mentioned, with either an underhook, ura nage style, or over/under on the overhook side, kosoto style.

Tani otoshi

 

[rmongler]

Tani otoshi

Participates in the same basic form; but there are many variations on the theme depending on how anal you want to get with terminology.

 

[KOMRADE]

Participates in the same basic form; but there are many variations on the theme depending on how anal you want to get with terminology.

Its an absolutely PHENOMINAL technique that lands you in a great position and is relatively low risk, my personal favorite especially when you hip tilt em as it can be a heavy drop.

 

[tekkenfan]

Its a great wear down strategy but we will likely see less and less standard wrestling out of MMA as it becomes more or less a Muay Thai match, so many rulesets punish grappling and the promoters want to see a slugfest. Frankly all you need to do is escape or stall in guard once you've been grounded and thats pretty easy.
Sprawling out after you get head control will give you plenty of shots as knee blocks and ankle picks and since hes crunched he cant throw a knee for crap

man i hardly even pipe finish singles anymore vs great guys people have damn good tdd today is the issue and nobody wants to be the bottom bitch so they are gonna stand up at every chance its really changed grappling for mma in the past few years

 

[tekkenfan]

 

[KOMRADE]

man i hardly even pipe finish singles anymore vs great guys people have damn good tdd today is the issue and nobody wants to be the bottom bitch so they are gonna stand up at every chance its really changed grappling for mma in the past few years

The takedown is not nearly as important as getting on their back. Use your wrestling skills to achive slidebys and runarounds and dont worry about the traditional wrestling takedown. MMA grappling is unique and leg shots are rarely worth the risk. Use Greco theory in your attacks and employ freestyle and folk for defensive measures only snatching high crotches when the opportunity presents itself. A good MT guy should be able to punish you for overshooting or digging too long for the TD. American Muaythai SUCKS because they dont respect the slam anymore. Real MT is PHENOMENALLY dangerous and should be any MMA fighters primary focus as grappling is going to be supplanted by guys who simply focus on TDD and primarily develop their knees and elbows. Modern MMA rules allow athletes to simply stall in guard for the crowd pleasing stand-up. This is a fight that represents some real fight theory before the "sports entertainment" people got involved and manipulated the contest as best they could to favor American wrestlers


those manipulations have run their course and now people have evolved strategies around it just as the promoter are accepting the fact that people don't want to see wrestling but would rather see a slugfest and are retooling their strategies to encourage it.

I only use my wrestling skills to counter takedown attempts and gain positional dominance where I can strike my opponent and force him to make an error trying to escape, at that point you should attack with a submission attempt that does not give up position and wear him down, never go for a big dramatic submission that will lose your positional dominance, stick with small and simple attacks whenever your opponent tries to improve their position.