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Best fighter to NOT win a belt...

Let us relive this rather cool thread :-)

I still got Faber, poor guy is as talented as they come, choking dudes out all over the world, and still no ufc gold. Life is weird like that
 
Rambo89 said:
Title says it all... who do you think is the best fighter to not have won UFC gold?

Bisping, Faber, and Florian all come to my mind... any others?
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Why would you say Bisping? Mike is a decent fighter, but there have been too many other non-belt-winners much better than him for him even to merit a mention here. Bisping's best ever wins are Stann and Leben. Rafael dos Anjos has 2 better wins than that within the last 12 months FFS (Bendo & Cerrone).

One of your other suggestions, Faber, is a much better answer. Bisping is not on the same level as someone like Faber, not at all.
 
Strictly UFC I'd say Jon Fitch. He was no.2 to GSP for a very, very long time.

He had like 18 fights in the UFC welterweight division over an 8 year period and
his only 3 losses during that time were to GSP, Johny Hendricks and Demian Maia. and his 1 draw (debatable win) came against BJ Penn. Not bad at all.
 
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Jerome Le Banner... still pissed off about that. Don't care if it's the wrong sport.
 
sibelle said:
Faber? Please he has d-level striking.
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You should maybe tell that to Michael McDonald and Brian Bowles and all the other top level fighters that Faber has hurt with strikes then finished with subs. His uppercut on Bowles was a thing of beauty, and he managed to hang with a prime Dominick Cruz on an almost equal footing for 5 high-level rounds, so to say D-level is idiotic.

A D-level striker is someone like Jake Shields or Brock Lesnar or Rousimar Palhares or Mayhem Miller or Demian Maia, who are effectively unable to stop anyone or win a purely stand-up fight at all. Faber may not be A-level like Aldo or Barao or Dillashaw, but he is surely B-class, way above the Mayhems and the Paul Harris's.
 
Kelman said:
You should maybe tell that to Michael McDonald and Brian Bowles and all the other top level fighters that Faber has hurt with strikes then finished with subs. His uppercut on Bowles was a thing of beauty, and he managed to hang with a prime Dominick Cruz on an almost equal footing for 5 high-level rounds, so to say D-level is idiotic.

A D-level striker is someone like Jake Shields or Brock Lesnar or Rousimar Palhares or Mayhem Miller or Demian Maia, who are effectively unable to stop anyone or win a purely stand-up fight at all. Faber may not be A-level like Aldo or Barao or Dillashaw, but he is surely B-class, way above the Mayhems and the Paul Harris's.
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Lesnar might have crap technique, but he hits like a truck. Both Mir and Handy can attest to that. As can Herring's orbital.
 
Francis Rossi said:
Lesnar might have crap technique, but he hits like a truck. Both Mir and Handy can attest to that. As can Herring's orbital.
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He's an F-level striker, he isn't even on the Jake Shields level. No way could Brock survive on the feet for the periods of time that Shields did with world-class strikers. Lesnar's defence was Z-level, and that's a key component of striking.

For me, you really need to have 1-shot KO power to merit the description of hitting like a truck. The number of fighters that Lesnar KO'd with one shot was zero. Shane Carwin hit like a truck. Roy Nelson hits like a truck. Mark Hunt too. Junior dos Santos. Brock Lesnar just had some decent/good power for a heavyweight. GSP broke Koscheck's orbital bone with a jab, that injury has more to do with the luck of placement than raw power. And Lesnar took more unanswered shots to finish Mir than pretty much everybody else who ever beat Mir. Your post is way off, for all of these reasons.
 
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