Bernie Sanders makes Republicans look stupid and incompetent AGAIN!

This was the plan from the beginning... pass a shity bill, that is going to collapse under itself. When Republicans would try to overturn it the Democrats who would play this game. Their thought was once the toothpaste was out you can't put it back in.... we'll see what happens.
 


It really is funny that right-leaning people like to throw around the term snowflake but they sure do get offended really fucking easily whenever facts(Republican kryptonite) are used against them. Who would've thought that when sick people don't have access to affordable healthcare let alone healthcare AT ALL people die?

Conservative/far right Republicans shouldn't be allowed to craft health care legislation at all or be able to vote on it because the only thing there are good for is making the rich richer while completely fucking over middle-class and poor people. I genuinely believe that.

Also miss me with that "Obama care premiums were skyrocketing" bullshit. I always felt that it never went far enough but at least it gave people healthcare and it legitimately saved lives of those who wouldn't have had access to it otherwise. And premiums would be and are going to be WAY higher without it.

This is why we say Republican voters vote against their own interests because this type of thing proves it to be true. Republicans are nothing but hypocrites for even pretending like they actually care about people that vote for them. Giant tax cuts for the wealthy are all they've ever cared about. At least have the balls to say it and own your shit when Bernie Sanders cucks you over it.

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What a bunch of BS. Anyone can go a to a hospital, regardless of insurance or ability to pay, and get treatment. It is illegal for them to not treat you. If you can't pay then a private hospital will stabilize you (if it's an emergency) and send you off to a public hospital and you receive treatment on the public dime. That has been the case for DECADES and WILL NOT change with whatever law the Republicans end up passing.

Privately-owned hospitals may turn away patients in a non-emergency, but public hospitals cannot refuse care. Public hospitals, funded by taxpayer dollars, are held to a different standard than privately owned for-profit hospitals. This means that a public hospital is the best option for those without health insurance or the means to pay for care.

The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA)
Public and private hospitals alike are prohibited by law from denying a patient care in an emergency. The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA) passed by Congress in 1986 explicitly forbids the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay. It also prohibits unnecessary transfers while care is being administered and prohibits the suspension of care once it is initiated, provisions that prevent dumping patients who cannot pay on other hospitals. The treatment of indigent and uninsured patients is a huge financial drain upon the health system, especially in areas where no public hospitals are available.

While EMTLA does not prohibit care providers from asking about a patient’s ability to pay, it does make it very clear that emergency treatment cannot be delayed while ability to pay is being checked. Essentially, the law establishes a “treat first, ask questions later” policy. This policy serves a dual purpose by protecting both private hospitals and patients. Private hospitals are protected because they can deny non-emergency care based upon ability to pay and patients are protected because refusal or delay of emergency care based on means to pay is illegal.
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The real debate here is not about who does or does not receive healthcare, it's about how to pay for it. Healthcare is not free and never can be. The question is how the system we have will work and what role the marketplace and government will play in delivering it.

Liberals are playing a cynical political game when they talk about people dying.
 
1. Sanders sold out to Clinton the second the primary were over and she screwed him out of the nomination, lol @ Bernie being a fighter "No one cares about your e-mails' I guess he didn't want to win.

2. You never answer my question about rich people's taxes and why this is a crime.

Bernie is the opposite of a fighter, he's the biggest bitchmade person to make it that far in a primary

The DNC got caught rigging the primary for Hillary so bad that wasserman Schultz had to resign and he never stood up to them

CNN got caught giving Hillary debate questions in advance and he never fought back over it

He let two girls go on stage and take over his rally even taking his microphone from him and he just stood there and took it

Lol @ people admitting they voted for him, as if he was gonna stand up to any world leaders when they would've bullied him into stupid deals where the US has to pay them a bunch of money

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I never said Obamacare was perfect only that it is better than the purposed alternative and that to blame the AHCA for the potential deaths of repealing it is wrong and dishonest.

But as far as the link... Yes single payer seems to be the way to go and AHA seems like a step away from the right direction.

Not only is the Affordable Care Act "imperfect," it's failure is cumulative.
 
If someone can't afford health insurance, then they don't get it. Why should others have to pay for their shit? If you want to pay their health insurance, then you go right ahead. The rest of us shouldn't be forced into doing it. Fuck Bernie Sanders.

What you don't understand is that you do pay for it, whether they have insurance or not, when they visit the ER after their health is failing, which is much more costly.

Preventative care (UHC) would alleviate those costs, but you're going to pay for them either way. Kind of like how I have to pay 5x more for a military which I don't want.
 
Sure people will lose their healthcare but the rich get tax breaks. You don't like it, pull your self up by the boot straps and stop being a poor o.
 
You don't even know the definition of communism.

"Government control of the system" precludes said system from being communist.

No, it's communism. The USA Intelligence even classifies it as such. Your excuse is what Communist symthpaizers use to claim "Communism has never been tried" or "That's not real communism" when a country fails and people die.



What's criminal about it. The wealthy pay more. The American economy is at its healthiest when the middle class is strong.

Why do you keep dodging the issue that Republicans are okay with letting people die slowly without healthcare? You can say my logic doesn't make sense and I can say your morals don't make a bit of sense and are in fact sick and twisted.. You want people to die so that rich people can have more and more money. You're not in a position to talk down to anybody.


1. I already answered you strawman earlier in the thread read post #29.

2. You socialists are pathetic, truly you are. I say the federal government shouldn't run healthcare and you respond with "So you want poor people to die!!!!" This is what happens when you debate with emotional children, you get emotional responses. You think because people don't support government-run socialism by gunpoint that they somehow don't care about poor people when socialism already leads to death and despair of the poor. Child Please

3. Evil rich people paying more money has nothing to do with a healthy economy. Again, why is taking less people from rich people a bad thing? They already earned it.
 
No, it's communism. The USA Intelligence even classifies it as such. Your excuse is what Communist symthpaizers use to claim "Communism has never been tried" or "That's not real communism" when a country fails and people die.

By all means, provide me with the definition of communism.
 
What you don't understand is that you do pay for it, whether they have insurance or not, when they visit the ER after their health is failing, which is much more costly.

Preventative care (UHC) would alleviate those costs, but you're going to pay for them either way. Kind of like how I have to pay 5x more for a military which I don't want.

I am already paying, and will continue to do so, but the less I have to pay for others, the better. The less we subsidize insurance for the poor, the better. And how many ER visits could have been prevented by preventive care? I doubt the percentage is very high, but I would be interested in seeing numbers.
 

So the workers owned all means of production, and there was no government in "Communist China" under Maoism?

What's next? Are you going to tell me about how democratic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is?
 
Awkward, you do realize the plan Sanders is speaking out against is Paul Ryan's baby, right? Lol, you cucks suck the cock of Paul Ryan and you don't even realize it. It's like Congressional Glory Hole, you guys just need to suck a dick.
Another lefty with dick dick dick on the brain.
What is it with you guys? Why the need to project your degeneracy on to the rest of us?
If its not gang rape fantasies, or incest, its dick.
 
So the workers owned all means of production, and there was no government in "Communist China" under Maoism?

What's next? Are you going to tell me about how democratic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is?


If you think Mao's China wasn't 'Real Communism' then there is nothing more to discuss here because you are living in your own reality. Come back when you get a D in History.
 
If you think Mao's China wasn't 'Real Communism' then there is nothing more to discuss here because you are living in your own reality. Come back when you get a D in History.

Are words not defined by their definitions? Where does communism come from, who created the term, and what does it entail?

Do you think that the DPRK is "real democracy" simply because it's in the title?
 
1. I already answered you strawman earlier in the thread read post #29.

2. You socialists are pathetic, truly you are. I say the federal government shouldn't run healthcare and you respond with "So you want poor people to die!!!!" This is what happens when you debate with emotional children, you get emotional responses. You think because people don't support government-run socialism by gunpoint that they somehow don't care about poor people when socialism already leads to death and despair of the poor. Child Please

3. Evil rich people paying more money has nothing to do with a healthy economy. Again, why is taking less people from rich people a bad thing? They already earned it.

Let me tell you how I know your post is all bullshit. This thread was not about me advocating for socialized healthcare at all. This is about the passing of the AHA kicking 20 million people or more off of health insurance. When people do not have access to health insurance they die of numerous different things that might afflict them when they cannot combat their sicknesses. I have worked with many disabled people in my life and I'm friends with a few elderly people and they are not leeching off of our society by having people pay their hospital bills by paying into Medicaid.

The healthiest countries in the world have socialized medicine and that isn't debatable. This is one of those instances where correlation does in fact equal causation. It's a myth that is perpetuated by people on the right that a bunch of poor leeches are going to calm and take away all the hard earned money from the rich and wealthy in America. This is a blatant lie.

No one is saying rich people are evil. It's saying our system skewed to inherently favor them. People like you make fun of Sanders when he says "millionaires and billionaires" but it's true that they don't pay their fair share of taxes and if we are the number one country in the world healthcare should be a right for all people. You have some ideas that all the sudden the rich and wealthy are going to all sink down to suddenly become middle-class citizens and that wouldn't happen.

This thread is the perfect example of people trying to start a different argument than the one that was put forth and you're just as guilty of it.
 
To further illustrate my point as to how you know this is just a tax break for the rich and a way for the pharmaceutical industry to get off on disenfranchised middle-class people who can't afford health care or their prescription medication. In 2016, there were 894 big Pharma lobbyists for 535 members of Congress. NOTHING is a coincidence.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...rmaceutical-lobbyists-medicare-part-d-prices/
 
Let me tell you how I know your post is all bullshit. This thread was not about me advocating for socialized healthcare at all. This is about the passing of the AHA kicking 20 million people or more off of health insurance. When people do not have access to health insurance they die of numerous different things that might afflict them when they cannot combat their sicknesses. I have worked with many disabled people in my life and I'm friends with a few elderly people and they are not leeching off of our society by having people pay their hospital bills by paying into Medicaid.

Emotional blah blah......Post #29


The healthiest countries in the world have socialized medicine and that isn't debatable. This is one of those instances where correlation does in fact equal causation. It's a myth that is perpetuated by people on the right that a bunch of poor leeches are going to calm and take away all the hard earned money from the rich and wealthy in America. This is a blatant lie.

Also those 20 million are mandated by the government not people who are going to die in 60 days without government run healthcare.



No one is saying rich people are evil. It's saying our system skewed to inherently favor them. People like you make fun of Sanders when he says "millionaires and billionaires" but it's true that they don't pay their fair share of taxes and if we are the number one country in the world healthcare should be a right for all people. You have some ideas that all the sudden the rich and wealthy are going to all sink down to suddenly become middle-class citizens and that wouldn't happen.


According to who? They already pay more than half of the countries income taxes. Where is it written in any major document in the USA that you are obligated by the government (aka gunpoint) you subsidize your earnings to the poor because you make too much money? Constitution? Bill of Rights? Where? The only document on this planet that encourages a 'progressive tax' is the communist manifesto.


This thread is the perfect example of people trying to start a different argument than the one that was put forth and you're just as guilty of it.


My argument was always #29
 
Bernie is the opposite of a fighter, he's the biggest bitchmade person to make it that far in a primary

The DNC got caught rigging the primary for Hillary so bad that wasserman Schultz had to resign and he never stood up to them

CNN got caught giving Hillary debate questions in advance and he never fought back over it

He let two girls go on stage and take over his rally even taking his microphone from him and he just stood there and took it

Lol @ people admitting they voted for him, as if he was gonna stand up to any world leaders when they would've bullied him into stupid deals where the US has to pay them a bunch of money

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A picture is worth 1000 words.Couldn't even man a mic, wants to man the country.
SMFH.
 
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