Bernie fans - What IF he gets screwed.

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Jack V Savage said:
The reason I'd consider voting for Sanders is that he might be able to more effectively address my policy concerns--dealing with climate change, reducing poverty, increasing social mobility, increasing economic growth (what the gov't can do there is stabilize the financial system and address downturns with rational fiscal policy), and preventing major foreign wars. If he were to lose, voting for Ted Cruz or Rubio would go against all of that, as would declining to vote. The "voting for the person whose image you like better" thing is completely alien to my way of thinking.
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I feel the same way. When i get a flat tire, i do not slash the other 3. I think Bernie would do the best job but if he does not get the nomination, Hillary is certainly better on every issue than the GOP.
 
Bernie is the only one I trust even though I don't agree with him. Sadly that is justification enough to want to vote for him. All the other candidates are the same. If I don't like the options, I don't vote.
 
Lustercross said:
I really want Bernie to win but I would be okay with voting for Hillary. I could never vote republican because they would make income inequality even worse then it already is.
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And Bill Clinton's economist taught that trying to achieve income equality reduces the economy and can make the poor even poorer. E514
 
If it becomes evident that Hildog is engaging in practices that undermine the entire process, then I would not vote for her in the general election out of principle. I will never vote Republican, though, due to inherent ideological diferrences(unless there's some radical shift in the principles that the party stands for).
 
As a democrat I am incredibly disappointed that I never had a choice.

I was told Hillary is entitled to the Nomination and ultimately the presidency and that I shouldn't even have any options or back up plans.

I think it's hilarious that Bernie supporters ever for a second thought that Hillary wasn't going to be handed the nomination by the DNC

When Hillary either gets destroyed in the general election or steps down, I am not going to feel the slightest bit bad for our party. We wanted to play the entitled elite game, so we get whatever is coming for us this fall.
 
gspieler said:
If it becomes evident that Hildog is engaging in practices that undermine the entire process, then I would not vote for her in the general election out of principle. I will never vote Republican, though, due to inherent ideological diferrences(unless there's some radical shift in the principles that the party stands for).
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It wouldn't surprise me if Clinton's team engaged in dirty tactics. They wouldn't have been the only ones (and it's not restricted to "establishment candidates" either apparently).
Ultimately though, if Sanders' or Carson's caucus members and supporters fall for that sort of tactic, it's on them for being naive and/or politically inexperienced.
 
i am wondering if anyone actually likes clinton, or if people are going to vote for her beacause they hate the alternatives even more?
 
Renard said:
You watch too much TV. Believe it or not the president isn't personally responsible for every bad or good thing that happens to the US, there are global trends at play.
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that is not true! he was not responsible for the gas prices when they were really high. however, it is totally because of him that gas prices keep dropping
 
I'm sure this has already been pointed out but it bears repeating. Bernie won 5/6 "coin flips" that were done using a microsoft app. There are an unknown amount of coin flips won by physical methods, last I heard. There is probably no coinflip-gate, and from what I know right now, I would wager they favored Sanders, and not Hillary.
 
Well-conceived thread. I am interested to see the responses also.
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
Uh, income inequality is worse under Democrat Obama than Republic Bush. Why would you think it'd be better under Shillary, who is much worse than Obama (if you're a leftist that hates big business and bankers and such)?
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Lol that was the fault President Cheney and Vice President Bush.
 
ProBoxingInsidr said:
that is not true! he was not responsible for the gas prices when they were really high. however, it is totally because of him that gas prices keep dropping
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You got it backwards. When gas prices were really high, it was all his fault, and re-electing him in 2012 was certain to send gas prices much, much higher (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73270_Page3.html). The fact that it didn't happen (along with all the other stuff that his re-election was supposed to cause) is just luck.
 
If it ends up being Hillary, I'll probably do a protest vote and go with one of the Independents.
 
I suppose it shouldn't be as a surprise that at least three of the results in option C are people who would never vote for Bernie or Hillary in any case.

I mean, does anybody think @Adamant is a bernie bro? Really?
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
Uh, income inequality is worse under Democrat Obama than Republic Bush. Why would you think it'd be better under Shillary, who is much worse than Obama (if you're a leftist that hates big business and bankers and such)?
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WrestlinganJudo said:
And Bill Clinton's economist taught that trying to achieve income equality reduces the economy and can make the poor even poorer. E514
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Uhhh thanks for the "input"???? No offense but I take posters like jvs and dochter more seriously than you guys.
 
Lustercross said:
Uhhh thanks for the "input"???? No offense but I take posters like jvs and dochter more seriously than you guys.
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That's one of the weirdest angles we see from the right. As if everyone agrees that inequality is bad, but some people believe that the best way to fight it is to eliminate taxes on capital gains, interest, dividends, and large inheritances.

The GFC hit the rich much harder than everyone else, but they recovered not to where they were before but at a faster pace than everyone else. That's cyclical, obviously. In terms of policy changes, the most significant ones that affect inequality under Obama are a new subsidy program (for health insurance) paid for by taxes on income over $250K, an income-tax increase on income over $250K, and a Medicaid expansion (note that some of the benefits aren't reflected in most income measures). So it's about a 6% hit to the top 1% of earners (and even higher hits to people at the very top), with some broadly distributed benefits (more to the lower end of earners. For example, just looking at the ACA: http://taxfoundation.org/article/health-care-reform-how-much-does-it-redistribute-income). If RKD and WJ want more, I'm down. Somehow, I suspect that they do not.

ProBoxingInsidr said:
i am wondering if anyone actually likes clinton, or if people are going to vote for her beacause they hate the alternatives even more?
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Her approval rating about Democrats has consistently hovered between 70% and 75%. The fact that you can ask that question is a sign of how narrow your experiences and reading are.
 
Lustercross said:
I really want Bernie to win but I would be okay with voting for Hillary. I could never vote republican because they would make income inequality even worse then it already is.
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If you go back 24 years a democrat has been president 16 of those years (8 by Billy). What makes you think Hillary would not make it worse? She has proven she is in the pocket of big banks and business more than even her cheating (can you blame him) husband.
 
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