Bernie fans - What IF he gets screwed.

[GearSolidMetal]

Full disclosure - I don't feel the Bern, but I do respect him, his honesty, and his grassroots campaign to take on the most powerful woman in politics for the nomination.

In Iowa, there's no doubt (edit: extremely fishy) some level of corruption happened. The fact that some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips is as amazing as the fact that Hillary won six in a row. That's a 1.5% or 1/64 possibility.

There's talk that this primary race could be the nastiest in the history of the Democrat Party, and that's a long history.

Hopefully, there's a clean winner, but if there's not, and Bernie is screwed by Hillary and the party's powerbrokers, via any number of possibilities, in the general election, do you....

A. Its either Bernie, or bust.

B. Bite down and vote for Hillary.

C. Say 'Fuck You, Hillary' and vote for the Republican.

I ask this with no preconcieved notions, or expectations of the results. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Ayin]

In Iowa, there's no doubt some level of corruption happened. The fact that some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips is as amazing as the fact that Hillary won six in a row. That's a 1.5% or 1/64 possibility.

Was "some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips" an example of the corruption that occurred? If so, is this a new practice or one that existed previously to Clinton's campaign? Or was the corruption (that there is "no doubt" of) the fact Clinton's people won 6/7? Because I'll admit that seems crazy, but of course video of each of these flips would remove my doubt.

 

[JDragon]

I cannot vote as a German, but my choice would be B. Even if you dislike Hillary for all understandable reasons, think it through. Cruz and Trump are bad for America.

Rubio would make me think - the fact that he is from the Bush camp probably would still make me vote Hillary.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Was "some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips" an example of the corruption that occurred? If so, is this a new practice or one that existed previously to Clinton's campaign? Or was the corruption (that there is "no doubt" of) the fact Clinton's people won 6/7? Because I'll admit that seems crazy, but of course video of each of these flips would remove my doubt.

Ok, Ill take back the 'no doubt.' Because it's more agreeable to say 'It's extremely fishy.'

 

[in the]

They'll either vote Democrat or stay home.

lulz, like the Clinton war machine was going to play nice. She might, right up until the point where she's feeling the Bern. Then she'll go after him like she did all those women who accused her husband of sexual assault/rape.

 

[Lustercross]

I really want Bernie to win but I would be okay with voting for Hillary. I could never vote republican because they would make income inequality even worse then it already is.

 

[Ayin]

I'd say it's "more correct" not to make claims that you aren't going to support.

(Also, you probably want to change the second "B" option to a C)


Although i've seen a few on here say they'd vote C, i honestly can't understand that decision. If you're set on only Bernie's policies, I can understand not voting because one is upset, but doing so increases the chances that the opposite party is elected, and their policies are vastly more likely to be further from Sander's than Clinton's. The reasonable answer would seem to be B, as that would be the candidate with the next closest views.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

(Also, you probably want to change the second "B" option to a C)

Whoops. Thanks for that.

 

[Quipling]

Was "some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips" an example of the corruption that occurred? If so, is this a new practice or one that existed previously to Clinton's campaign? Or was the corruption (that there is "no doubt" of) the fact Clinton's people won 6/7? Because I'll admit that seems crazy, but of course video of each of these flips would remove my doubt.

Its a preexisting practice, as google very clearly verifies. There are some videos, though I haven't checked to see if there are videos are for all of them.

(Also, the delegates were for county delegates, not state delegates).

General fact check

NPR
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ts-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

Coin flip history
http://www.wired.com/2016/02/relax-twitter-iowas-caucus-coin-flip-is-perfectly-normal/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...wins-six-delegates-by-coin-toss-a6848126.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

Fact check on who won/how many flips there were:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/politics/hillary-clinton-coin-flip-iowa-bernie-sanders/index.html
(not clear on how reliable the cnn claims are, but there is new information RE: reporting systems)

 

[bad seed]

wheres option D:

 

[Theoretically Speaking]

Revolution.



He should run as an independent.....It's his last chance to be president, fuck it.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

I really want Bernie to win but I would be okay with voting for Hillary. I could never vote republican because they would make income inequality even worse then it already is.

Uh, income inequality is worse under Democrat Obama than Republic Bush. Why would you think it'd be better under Shillary, who is much worse than Obama (if you're a leftist that hates big business and bankers and such)?

 

[Renard]

Uh, income inequality is worse under Democrat Obama than Republic Bush.

You watch too much TV. Believe it or not the president isn't personally responsible for every bad or good thing that happens to the US, there are global trends at play.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Obviously Hillary. People who take their ball and home home are losers.

Uh, income inequality is worse under Democrat Obama than Republic Bush. Why would you think it'd be better under Shillary, who is much worse than Obama (if you're a leftist that hates big business and bankers and such)?

It's almost as if there was some economic catalyst that drove down earnings in the populace. I just can't put my finger on it.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Berns got my vote, but I'd likely vote Republican if Hillary's the candidate. I'm kind of curious to see what a Trump presidency would look like.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Taking "Bernie or Bust" to mean only voting if he's the nominee, I'm not sure the poll reflects all the options so I abstained. I will say if it's Bernie I vote D and if it's Hilary I vote for another party.

 

[in the]

wheres option D:

Speaking of coin flips, I voted for Rocky Anderson over Jill Stein in 2012 pretty much over a figurative coin flip, since I tended to like their stances on financial regulations but neither really stood out.

 

[second sight]

According to one Reddit user,

So basically in the caucus they have to hand count everyone depending on what side they?re sitting on. Well when it came time to do the second count the numbers were off. The first vote breakdown was like this:

FIRST VOTE: 215 Sanders 210 Clinton 26 O?Malley 8 Undecided 459 TOTAL

And this is the SECOND Vote: 232 Clinton 224 Sanders 456 Total

So somehow they lost 3 people but Clinton?s vote went up by 14.

So basically what had happened was Hillary?s team didn?t take the time to do a full recount instead she just added the new people who joined the second vote. Which clearly wasn?t an accurate count.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The Republican candidates are garbage. Every last one of them. They're, as Chris Hedges says, mediocre at best and usually venal. I think its safe to say both apply to the GOP candidates.

Clinton may not be mediocre, but she is certainly venal and doesn't even represent the platform she's running on.
If you support Sanders and you decide to vote for Clinton its like telling the DNC you'll vote for anybody they serve up.
Clinton is a neocon up there bragging about championing gay rights and the middle class when she voted against SSM and is practically an executive at JP Morgan. Its like the DNC isn't even pretending to give a fuck anymore.

My ninja Chomsky says he'll vote for the Democrat regardless of who it is because he fears the GOP is a danger to the world due to their vehement denial of climate change.
I personally think the gig is up on climate change and we're all fucked. I also don't know what having a neocon puppet of Wall Street will do to change things around re: cc with a Republican Senate.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I believe this campaign for bernie is about momentum. Just winning is not enough. We really do need a political revolution to fix campaign finance, lobbying, term limits, and gerrymandering. Everything else is impossible without this.

I will not vote for a politician that I believe is bought and paid for. This excludes every candidate but bernie and trump for me.

I think trump could be eisenhower, or he could be hitler. He is an unknown. The rest are known.

I fear the status quo of slow decline, not the unknown. I would most likely protest vote for Gary Johnson again though, if bernie loses.