Ben Shapiro is a Weenie

[Overtures]

And so is anyone else whose intellectual energies are informed by a sense of vindication -- and it seems Shapiro's main spark is less about bringing complex ideas down to earth or spreading best practices for political/moral thought and more, if not entirely, about delivering "burns" and rhetorical "smackdowns".

Really?


His audience gets bloodlust boners every time and claps blindly from behind their keyboards.

Let's throw these guys in the trash bin: Shapiro, Crowder, Milo.

 

[TheGreatA]

In a culture which revolves around delivering burns or rhetorical smackdowns, instead of any in-depth political or moral thought, I do not see why Shapiro or the likes of him ought to be thrown under the bus, over all of the others that partake in the same culture. They're products of the intellectual environment around them.

If Shapiro was deeply invested in political or moral thought, without the ability to deliver smackdowns, nobody'd give a shit about him. Can't blame him for focusing on the latter instead of the former.

If one wants to trash Shapiro for this, then one ought to ask themselves when they last truly put in the effort to dig up a modern "intellectual", deeply invested in political thought, over browsing their Youtube faves with a million hits.

 

[Rematch]

It's like you lack a sense of self-awareness.

 

[Tiny]

And so is anyone else whose intellectual energies are informed by a sense of vindication -- and it seems Shapiro's main spark is less about bringing complex ideas down to earth or spreading best practices for political/moral thought and more, if not entirely, about delivering "burns" and rhetorical "smackdowns".

Really?


His audience gets bloodlust boners every time and claps blindly from behind their keyboards.

Let's throw these guys in the trash bin: Shapiro, Crowder, Milo.

Well fuck now youve got me all changed around on the subject of my political viewpoints...

Maybe i should become a bleeding heart liberal? Die my hair purple amd request a specific set of pronouns?

Wait...was that insulting?

 

[Tiny]

In a culture which revolves around delivering burns or rhetorical smackdowns, instead of any in-depth political or moral thought, I do not see why Shapiro or the likes of him ought to be thrown under the bus, over all of the others that partake in the same culture. They're products of the intellectual environment around them.

If Shapiro was deeply invested in political or moral thought, without the ability to deliver smackdowns, nobody'd give a shit about him. Can't blame him for focusing on the latter instead of the former.

If one wants to trash Shapiro for this, then one ought to ask themselves when they last truly put in the effort to dig up a modern "intellectual", deeply invested in political thought, over browsing their Youtube faves with a million hits.

Sam harris

 

[InternetHero]

In a culture which revolves around delivering burns or rhetorical smackdowns, instead of any in-depth political or moral thought, I do not see why Shapiro or the likes of him ought to be thrown under the bus, over all of the others that partake in the same culture. They're products of the intellectual environment around them.

If Shapiro was deeply invested in political or moral thought, without the ability to deliver smackdowns, nobody'd give a shit about him. Can't blame him for focusing on the latter instead of the former.

If one wants to trash Shapiro for this, then one ought to ask themselves when they last truly put in the effort to dig up a modern "intellectual", deeply invested in political thought, over browsing their Youtube faves with a million hits.

I agree with almost all of this; with one important caveat.

The important thinkers and people behind the scenes care about real intellectual discourse and ideas, just not that general audience.

The money is not there, but the ideas and reputation to be made are in most circumstances. Albeit, this is a harder journey if you are on the right.

Unfortunately, I would also add that on the left and right, the general audience is trying to shame the intellectual audience into following the group.

On the left that means anything that say challenges the orthodoxy of social justice will have a tremendous push back.

On the right that means anything that challenges Trumpania will have tremendous pushback.

Whether Bannon's public crusade against National Review, or the academics eaten alive for suggesting culture influences your success in American culture. (The left and right are perfecting the art of the Twitter mob.)

It is easy to be declared an apostate and bring on the wrath of the crowd in an era of the internet.

What might we learn for this about Shapiro or Maddow or Hannity?

Anyone reading or listening to a talking head who only wants to quarrel with no substance should stop right now, and look for real answers. If your favorite wag is only insulting the other side, you are engaged in a team sport, not real politics.

 

[Overtures]

In a culture which revolves around delivering burns or rhetorical smackdowns, instead of any in-depth political or moral thought, I do not see why Shapiro or the likes of him ought to be thrown under the bus, over all of the others that partake in the same culture. They're products of the intellectual environment around them.

If Shapiro was deeply invested in political or moral thought, without the ability to deliver smackdowns, nobody'd give a shit about him. Can't blame him for focusing on the latter instead of the former.

If one wants to trash Shapiro for this, then one ought to ask themselves when they last truly put in the effort to dig up a modern "intellectual", deeply invested in political thought, over browsing their Youtube faves with a million hits.

Shapiro's message, and he has plenty of good things to say, takes second place to the blood lust. Look at the ball-suckers that worship him. Someone posted a thread about him to the effect of:

"HAS ANYONE EVER LITERALLY BEATEN BEN SHAPIRO IN AN ARGUMENT EVEN? ARE THERE EVEN LIBERAL SAVAGES OUT THERE LIKE HIM?"


This person was fuckin' stupid.



Shapiro would be more effective as a thinker, or whatever, if he wasn't such a dweeb -- that is if his goal is to be a thinker and not a shock jock, money maker, etc.

 

[unimackpass]

He really pisses off the left when he says that gender fluidity is bs and challenges the idea that children should be exposed to such ideas as early as kindergarten.
Agree with Shapiro on this? Or are you outraged?

 

[Overtures]

Well fuck now youve got me all changed around on the subject of my political viewpoints...

Maybe i should become a bleeding heart liberal? Die my hair purple amd request a specific set of pronouns?

Wait...was that insulting?

I'm very instulte dand ofended.

 

[TheGreatA]

Shapiro's message, and he has plenty of good things to say, takes second place to the blood lust. Look at the ball-suckers that worship him. Someone posted a thread about him to the effect of:

"HAS ANYONE EVER LITERALLY BEATEN BEN SHAPIRO IN AN ARGUMENT EVEN? ARE THERE EVEN LIBERAL SAVAGES OUT THERE LIKE HIM?"


This person was fuckin' stupid.



Shapiro would be more effective as a thinker, or whatever, if he wasn't such a dweeb -- that is if his goal is to be a thinker and not a shock jock, money maker, etc.

I don't think his goal is to be a thinker, I'm not sure if I've ever even seen him claim that his goal is to be a thinker.

I think clearly his goal is to have influence. And he's doing a pretty good job gaining influence.

But I do agree that he would do an even better job of that, by coming off as less dismissive/arrogant. But I think that's a personal trait that he can't really do anything about.

 

[Overtures]

He really pisses off the left when he says that gender fluidity is bs and challenges the idea that children should be exposed to such ideas as early as kindergarten.
Agree with Shapiro on this? Or are you outraged?

I agree with Shapiro on a lot of things to varying degrees.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Ben Shapiro is just a media pundit/personality. He is just a more serious comedian, or Howard Stern. He is not a politician, or any kind of leader. He is not even a WR topic.

 

[Overtures]

I don't think his goal is to be a thinker, I'm not sure if I've ever even seen him claim that his goal is to be a thinker.

I think clearly his goal is to have influence. And he's doing a pretty good job gaining influence.

But I do agree that he would do an even better job of that, by coming off as less dismissive/arrogant. But I think that's a personal trait that he can't really do anything about.

He does have a lot of influence. But he creates mini dickhead replicates of himself out of people with lesser minds.

I agree and see your view.

No reason to argue further.

 

[Tiny]

He really pisses off the left when he says that gender fluidity is bs and challenges the idea that children should be exposed to such ideas as early as kindergarten.
Agree with Shapiro on this? Or are you outraged?

If the goal is to encourage a society that has problems reproducing down the road because nobody wants to ide tify as their born sex, then by all means...lets sterilize entire generations while immigrants from cultures we dont like who are not confused about gender come in, out breed the native population and tranform our culture to theirs.

Sounds like a hoot!

Or wait, i think i agree with ben on this one.

 

[dembones22]

And so is anyone else whose intellectual energies are informed by a sense of vindication -- and it seems Shapiro's main spark is less about bringing complex ideas down to earth or spreading best practices for political/moral thought and more, if not entirely, about delivering "burns" and rhetorical "smackdowns".

Really?


His audience gets bloodlust boners every time and claps blindly from behind their keyboards.

Let's throw these guys in the trash bin: Shapiro, Crowder, Milo.

TS MAKES THREAD ABOUT HOW HE HATES " SMACKDOWN " COMMENTARY.


PROCEEDS TO LAYETH THE SMACKDOWN ON SHAPIRO AND HIS KEYBOARD WARRIOR FAN BASE FROM HIS KEYBOARD .......



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[M3t4tr0n]

He just wants his 15 minutes of pseudo-intellectual fame so he can make dinero.

 

[FacePunch]

Shapiro is a whiny little puritanical pussy.

 

[Overtures]

He just wants his 15 minutes of pseudo-intellectual fame so he can make dinero.

Yuh, He had an interesting review of Star Wars Last Jedi.

 

[TheGreatA]

I agree with almost all of this; with one important caveat.

The important thinkers and people behind the scenes care about real intellectual discourse and ideas, just not that general audience.

The money is not there, but the ideas and reputation to be made are in most circumstances. Albeit, this is a harder journey if you are on the right.

Unfortunately, I would also add that on the left and right, the general audience is trying to shame the intellectual audience into following the group.

On the left that means anything that say challenges the orthodoxy of social justice will have a tremendous push back.

On the right that means anything that challenges Trumpania will have tremendous pushback.

Whether Bannon's public crusade against National Review, or the academics eaten alive for suggesting culture influences your success in American culture. (The left and right are perfecting the art of the Twitter mob.)

It is easy to be declared an apostate and bring on the wrath of the crowd in an era of the internet.

What might we learn for this about Shapiro or Maddow or Hannity?

Anyone reading or listening to a talking head who only wants to quarrel with no substance should stop right now, and look for real answers. If your favorite wag is only insulting the other side, you are engaged in a team sport, not real politics.

Politics becoming a team sport is certainly a problem, but then again it has always been a recurring problem, and the successful leading intellectuals of other times were able to address such a problem.

The real problem to me is when the so-called intellectuals can't offer any proper alternatives that seem clearly above the ideas of the ignorant. Right now, I think the Trumpers and the American progressives have more of a clue, certainly, than the establishment parties, and many of the intellectuals that are distant from the realities of the world, unwilling to lower themselves to the muck of it.

That does not mean that the Trump crowd, or the progressive crowd, are anywhere near correct, but it is more so indicative of how wrongly guided the intellectual development has been, and how misguided many of the seemingly elite-level thinkers are, in being able to present themselves to the public. Hermits, snobs, anti-socials, are unable to lead the masses of men.

The intellectuals of the past eras, were in many cases, also the most active of men. Their thoughts resulted in action. Today, it doesn't seem to result in anything, so people look for "men of action", at the expense of intellect.

 

[unimackpass]

He does have a lot of influence. But he creates mini dickhead replicates of himself out of people with lesser minds.

I agree and see your view.

No reason to argue further.

The thing is guys like Shapiro can thrive in a our present environment. For one thing you have a whole culture producing rhetoric (intersectionality) concocted to make everyone feel like their part of the oppressive patriarchy. They weave quite a web and come across as superior and sophisticated, it's really pathetic.
Shapiro comes along and bitchslaps them into oblivion and it's awesome I must say. We're dealing with people that don't respond to normal dialog. It's like dealing with a bully, you say whatever until finally he gets his ass slammed on the pavement. The only language they understand.
Same thing still playing out today, everyone is a alt-right. You know what, shut the hell up is all I have to say to these people. They chose the nature of the battle.