News Bellator sale talks heating up

[Hellowhosthat]

Come on dude I thought you were smart enough to find evidence to prove your point. I guess you just don't understand cause you are so pro-UFC and Anti Bellator. Just about everyone of your post in the Worldwide MMA Discussion about Bellator has been negative. I just don't see why anyone that loves MMA would post so much negativity against the #2 MMA Org Bellator.



I proved my point by providing the net worth from a legitimate accurate site. So far you've been grasping at straws spewing your hate towards a MMA Org white having providing 0 to prove otherwise.



You are out of your league when it comes to what is taken into consideration in determining a companies worth.

All of you have have proven you have 0 knowledge about this subject. You all believe its just about the money the company generates that sets the worth of a company which can't be further fro the truth. With that mindset the UFC would only be valued at just over 1 billion today instead of actual 12 billion. OK kiddies class is dismissed.

Do you want to do an avatar bet for how much Bellator sells for? If it sells for less than $5 billion I get to choose your avatar, if it sells for $5 billion or more you can choose mine.

 

[STAY GOLD]

I proved my point by providing the net worth from a legitimate accurate site.

Yes sir. Your source is a random website, but it’s a website, so it’s entirely reliable and you really got me. Bellator is totally worth $5 billion because a random website no one has ever heard of says so. What more proof is needed? It is common knowledge that Bellator is worth as much as the Lakers and as the Cowboys.

 

[SaigeVanZant]

I loved Bellator under Rebney, but under Coker it just seemed like it was a matter of time. I think Coker takes his MMA ventures more as a hobby than something that he actually intends to make into a fruitful venture that stands the test of time. He never really actively goes after good guys and makes shoddy decisions constantly. His match making isn't good either. I hope the best for him and Bellator should their road come to an end though.

Coker doesn't have that dawg in him

 

[CC27]

UFC had Conor/Ronda, multiple million buy PPV, big gates, people watching, selling tons of tickets, all over the world and had rights deal coming up sold for 4 billion

Bellator who gets shit ratings on Showtime, has no traffic, last big event with LW GP only did a 600k gate, no superstars and is a distant distant number 2 in the mma space is worth 5 billion.

 

[Omni1]

Who from WON is reporting? There’s a good chance they’re just regurgitating what Ariel said a while ago and passing it off for their own reporting months after.

Probably Dave Meltzer.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Probably Dave Meltzer.

Meltzer the AEW fanboy probably wants Tony Khan to buy Bellator to compete with Vince/Dana.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Do you want to do an avatar bet for how much Bellator sells for? If it sells for less than $5 billion I get to choose your avatar, if it sells for $5 billion or more you can choose mine.

7 Billion is a joke, this guy is for sure yanking your chain. What's the over under that's worth betting on here? 500m? 1b? 2b? Even 2b seems high.

 

[careto]

7 Billion is a joke, this guy is for sure yanking your chain. What's the over under that's worth betting on here? 500m? 1b? 2b? Even 2b seems high.

PFL reached a valuation of 500 million on their latest funding round. So, IDK who the hell would buy PFL for 500 million but I dont think anyone would buy Bellator for 500 million either. I would say 100 million to 200 million seems more like it.

 

[HuskySamoan]

PFL reached a valuation of 500 million on their latest funding round. So, IDK who the hell would buy PFL for 500 million but I dont think anyone would buy Bellator for 500 million either. I would say 100 million to 200 million seems more like it.

Bellator definitely has a significantly better roster and a more profitable platform than the PFL. 200M as an over under seems a little low, 500M was where my head was at as I could see it going for a bit more or a bit less personally.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

7 Billion is a joke, this guy is for sure yanking your chain. What's the over under that's worth betting on here? 500m? 1b? 2b? Even 2b seems high.

Nowhere near that honestly. I'd be surprised if it was worth much more than $200m. It's profitable but not that profitable, it has somewhat of an established name, a decent fight library quality wise that not many people care about and a good roster quality wise but not something you couldn't build from scratch in a couple of years if you threw $50m at building a roster.

Anybody who buys it is either doing so to keep a small profit ticking over for the long haul or is going to have to invest further money if they want to build a genuine competitor to the UFC.

I don't know where that PFL value comes from either tbh, who wants to spend $500m on a company that loses millions a year and doesn't have a big name.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Btw it not being worth a lot is actually a good thing since it means whoever does buy it could have some capital left to throw at it.

 

[ferrisjso]

I hope its not being aborsbed by another promotion (UFC/PFL/ONE) and its more along the lines of a middle east investment or an AEW/Bellator kind if thing similar to WWE/UFC.

If its a group if investors similar to PFL then its bound to collapse sooner rather than later.

The UFC will not acquire Bellator because if they do they're toast from an Anti Trust perspective.

I think sports should have monopolys(I'm a socialist so public ones obv but even private ones are preferable to a lack therof) but the current law doesn't allow for that unless you have an exemption which the other sports have.

ONE I think is committed to their own lane which is in Asia.

Tbh I'm surprised the PFL still exists much less able to buy a superior promotion like Bellator. The whole "sports league for an individual sport" concept has been a constant failure historically. I expect PFL to die sooner or later.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

The UFC will not acquire Bellator because if they do they're toast from an Anti Trust perspective.

I think sports should have monopolys(I'm a socialist so public ones obv but even private ones are preferable to a lack therof) but the current law doesn't allow for that unless you have an exemption which the other sports have.

ONE I think is committed to their own lane which is in Asia.

Tbh I'm surprised the PFL still exists much less able to buy a superior promotion like Bellator. The whole "sports league for an individual sport" concept has been a constant failure historically. I expect PFL to die sooner or later.

The UFC could totally acquire Bellator and that would not be a monopoly. There have already been similar deals to that, and the ability to create an org in Bellator's place is easy.

MMA is not an actual industry it's part of entertainment and the UFC is nowhere near the top of that heap .UFC is competing with other live entertainment not Bellator, and all those other live orgs they compete with have (or had) "monopolies" on their sports/events etc.

The UFC and WWE becoming sister promotions are MUCH closer to becoming a monopoly (which still isnt' close at all) than the UFC and Bellator, and the UFC/WWE deal is going to go off with out a hitch.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The UFC could totally acquire Bellator and that would not be a monopoly. There have already been similar deals to that, and the ability to create an org in Bellator's place is easy.

MMA is not an actual industry it's part of entertainment and the UFC is nowhere near the top of that heap .UFC is competing with other live entertainment not Bellator, and all those other live orgs they compete with have (or had) "monopolies" on their sports/events etc.

The UFC and WWE becoming sister promotions are MUCH closer to becoming a monopoly (which still isnt' close at all) than the UFC and Bellator, and the UFC/WWE deal is going to go off with out a hitch.

They won't buy Bellator I don't think. When AJ and Vadim were coming towards the end of their deals it doesn't seem like the UFC were interested in offering them as much as they wanted so it wouldn't make much sense for them to buy Bellator and pay them what they're on under their Bellator deals.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

They won't buy Bellator I don't think. When AJ and Vadim were coming towards the end of their deals it doesn't seem like the UFC were interested in offering them as much as they wanted so it wouldn't make much sense for them to buy Bellator and pay them what they're on under their Bellator deals.

I did not say they would. I just said it wouldn't be a monopoly. The UFC not purchasing Bellator would be because they are not interested in acquiring their library not legal reasons.

 

[David R]

I wish UFC Fight Pass was interested in buying other promotion's fight libraries. They brag they have the biggest fight library and no one can come close so they stopped adding.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I wish UFC Fight Pass was interested in buying other promotion's fight libraries. They brag they have the biggest fight library and no one can come close so they stopped adding.

they got that slap fight shit now, dont they? they're creating high quality content, no need to buy!

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Just read the rest of this thread, did that guy seriously say Bellator is worth more than 5 billion?!

I know people love to meme about profit here, do people actually think Bellator's profit isn't anything other than negligible? It makes a few million probably at best. Does Bellator look like a product that Viacom invested billions of dollars in?

The weird thing that people talk about with profitability in a company that is not independent is somehow not acknowledging that profitability for dependent and independent companies do not work the same. There are allocations for subsidiaries that can make them look more or less profitable than they are.

That is a relatively minor point, the bigger point is that a media company is selling Bellator. If Bellator is not sold with a TV contract attached then why would anyone pay billions of dollars for it? Their TV as it is now isn't even good and I am assuming it will not come with a spot on CBS or Showtime if it is sold. Look at how much WCW sold for when ti was taken off TNT.

Now Bellator won't be defunct so obviously they're going to negotiate a new TV deal during the purchasing process, but the the value is right there. Their TV/streaming partnership is the most important part of their business. It's also why the UFC probably doesn't give a shit to buy them unless it's a bargain (for their video library basically).

What's the reasoning for thinking Bellator is worth more than NBA franchises??

Wouldn't be surprised if some Middle Eastern company tried adding Bellator to its portfolio.

 

[skylolow]

You are out of your league when it comes to what is taken into consideration in determining a companies worth.

All of you have have proven you have 0 knowledge about this subject. You all believe its just about the money the company generates that sets the worth of a company which can't be further fro the truth. With that mindset the UFC would only be valued at just over 1 billion today instead of actual 12 billion. OK kiddies class is dismissed.

Dude, a business is valued based on a PL, NOI multiply into a cap number as a starting point. We all know there is more to go into it valuing a business like Bellator and most of the things needed no one except Bellator has that info. But based on the info we have Bellator's profits aren't great. Based on that article it took the DAZN deal to make it profitable. That is gone, sure they added some media deals around the world. But either way they aren't raking in 100M in profit or anything close. Maybe more like 10M to 20M is believable at best. None of that translates to a 1B or 2B or 3B or 4B or 5B valuation.

In 2011, Viacom paid 50M to acquire Bellator. I'd stand by my number that is worth between 100M and 150M today and if the numbers are little better than what we can see reported then maybe it stretches out like 250M. There is zero evidence out there to even say its worth over a 1B let alone 5B. Maybe in a perfect world with the right buyer and the right media deals in place they could get 500M. You do realize Viacom has about market cap 20B as a company publicly exchanged on the stock market. To think Bellator is worth a quarter of Viacom's total worth is just dumb.


P.S.: In 2011 Strikeforce was sold for 40M though did include close to like 15 to 20M in debt. I don't know if that 40M included that or was on top of that. But that deal came with a CBS/Showtime media deal with it. Viacom/Bellator deal came with basically the business. You could argue they may have over paid at the time. But for them 50M for all the live programming that MMA can give you was probably a no brainer from media outlet company's stand point.

 

[Stan]

Do you want to do an avatar bet for how much Bellator sells for? If it sells for less than $5 billion I get to choose your avatar, if it sells for $5 billion or more you can choose mine.

Are you always an idiot or just when I’m around?