News Bellator Paris Just Got Cancelled

[PurpleStorm]

Thanks for the thoughts on why the card was cancelled. Now it's all clear as mud.

 

[TheBrownRanger]

That's what they get for booking Baki in the fucking co-main.

 

[David Street]

It seems like the issue was due to someone who was competing on the card having a contact with a "huge French organization" which has to be ARES.

Someone who couldn't have been replaced?

 

[TITS]

Wasn't there supposed to be a Bellator card this month too?

 

[Thesnake101]

That's what they get for booking Baki in the fucking co-main.

Not just that, but vs Enkamp, a guy with no wrestling or cardio.

 

[wwkirk]

Is there an explanation for the cancellation? (If there's a translation I didn't find it.)

 

[amok attitude]

It wasn't Eblen/Edwards, that was moved from the London card. Apparently it's to do with the Baki fight but cancelling that shouldn't cause them to have to cancel a whole card imo as I love Baki but he's just a prospect at this point rather than a guy who if he falls off your card the whole thing is fucked if you're a major promotion.

Agreed about Baki s level and expérience but its Paris. If Baki does not fight, nobody ll come

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Agreed about Baki s level and expérience but its Paris. If Baki does not fight, nobody ll come

They could have switched Lazy King from the December PFL Europe card maybe.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Every time I see Paramount in the news regarding something they are selling off, or some thing they screwed up doing, I get sad about Bellator.

At least in the US, Bellator will likely be the last big company with an old era presentation. Now it's all corporate and sanitized. It going away is the closure to the Strikeforce, EliteXC, WEC, and pre-uniform UFC era.

But Bellator was more corporate than PFL. Bellator was a subsidiary of a corporation. PFL is an independent company.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

But Bellator was more corporate than PFL. Bellator was a subsidiary of a corporation. PFL is an independent company.

Viacom just seemed to let Coker do his thing though.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Viacom just seemed to let Coker do his thing though.

That doesn't mean it's not corporate though. Saying Bellator was the last bastion of independence in mainstream MMA is like so weird...if anything they were the last corporate owned MMA company other than the UFC that I can think of.

Pretty much every other big org is not corporate and certainly less "sterile" than Bellator. Bellator was a dry product, and kind of just looked like the UFC, which is a corporate org. KSW, Rizin, ONE, etc do not exactly come off like they're owned by Disney.


Bellator from like 15 years ago compared to the Coker era is like night and day to me.

 

[amok attitude]

They could have switched Lazy King from the December PFL Europe card maybe.

Abdul is way more accomplished and everybody loves him also but he does not appeal to the mainstream like baki who has a strong presence on social media and who got even bigger after the rivalry with doumbe. Just to talk about Abdul, its a shame that his career did not take the turn it should have two years ago

 

[Terry_Dak_Tull]

But Bellator was more corporate than PFL. Bellator was a subsidiary of a corporation. PFL is an independent company.

Being owned by a corporation doesn't make the presentation look like one. That's the whole point of my comment. Now everything is presented differently. Uniforms and lack of individuality. You then went on to list other companies not in the US, when i clearly said how it's the end of the old era of mma in the US.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Being owned by a corporation doesn't make the presentation look like one. That's the whole point of my comment. Now everything is presented differently. Uniforms and lack of individuality. You then went on to list other companies not in the US, when i clearly said how it's the end of the old era of mma in the US.

Oh, if you're not including companies outside the US then I'm not sure what companies you're talking about. The only other major company in the US for MMA is PFL (ONE? Not based in US but certainly US is a major demographic for them). What do you mean by all the companies today are sterile then?

Bellator does have a corporate presentation, and looks like a corporate product. If you showed someone Bellator they would think it is the UFC.

It just seems odd to me to put it in the same breath as WEC and Strikeforce, those two were way more grass root in their booking, presentation, and promotional tactics. WEC, Strikeforce, Affiction were distinct, Bellator doesn't look all that different. PFL actually looks more distinct with its ridiculous UI stuff.

Bellator seems like an even more corporate product than the UFC is. There is hardly anything dynamic about Bellator (of the last 5 years). Plays everything very safe, predictable, doesn't have any aesthetics or theatrics to speak of either.


What about Bellator do you think looks not corporate? I just think it's a strange thing to say, because Bellator became sterile years ago.

 

[Terry_Dak_Tull]

Oh, if you're not including companies outside the US then I'm not sure what companies you're talking about. The only other major company in the US for MMA is PFL (ONE? Not based in US but certainly US is a major demographic for them). What do you mean by all the companies today are sterile then?

Bellator does have a corporate presentation, and looks like a corporate product. If you showed someone Bellator they would think it is the UFC.

It just seems odd to me to put it in the same breath as WEC and Strikeforce, those two were way more grass root in their booking, presentation, and promotional tactics. WEC, Strikeforce, Affiction were distinct, Bellator doesn't look all that different. PFL actually looks more distinct with its ridiculous UI stuff.

Bellator seems like an even more corporate product than the UFC is. There is hardly anything dynamic about Bellator (of the last 5 years). Plays everything very safe, predictable, doesn't have any aesthetics or theatrics to speak of either.


What about Bellator do you think looks not corporate? I just think it's a strange thing to say, because Bellator became sterile years ago.

They were the last major US promotion standing that still allowed sponsors all over fight kits and banners during intros. Those fight kits also weren't uniforms. Most had custom gear. Fedor Team had their custom gear. Cyborg would wear something with a local flavor. That's just to name a few. You had fighters dressing up for entrances or just having special entrances. You had fighters shouting out sponsors post fight. You didn't have every cage related location monetized and ad reads during every break in action.

That era is over with Bellator ending. You are now stuck with ad reads, uniforms, lack of individuality, and a buttoned up and paint by numbers league like presentation.

 

[skylolow]

They were the last major US promotion standing that still allowed sponsors all over fight kits and banners during intros. Those fight kits also weren't uniforms. Most had custom gear. Fedor Team had their custom gear. Cyborg would wear something with a local flavor. That's just to name a few. You had fighters dressing up for entrances or just having special entrances. You had fighters shouting out sponsors post fight. You didn't have every cage related location monetized and ad reads during every break in action.

That era is over with Bellator ending. You are now stuck with ad reads, uniforms, lack of individuality, and a buttoned up and paint by numbers league like presentation.

So it is bad for the promotion to have promotional sponsors all over the cage but perfectly fine if the fighters have multiple promotional sponsors on their gear, ok. They are one in the same. Individuality, many fighters had different sponsors on their gear every time out. I never associated sponsors ships on fighters shorts with the fighter himself. I'd argue individuality comes from the fighter themselves, it more about personality than having six random sponsors on their shorts. The change all occurred because as MMA became more popular orgs found out that bigger better sponsorships wanted in. Those sponsors want exclusivity at that level of pay. Burger King doesn't want to pay the UFC 2M or whatever and have every fighter wearing Mc Donald's logo on there ass and vice versa. I won't call it corporate greed at that level. They were trying to grow like every business. What use to fly doesn't fly in the new landscape some of these orgs have entered in business world. If some sponsor came up to KSW and said we'll pay 15M for you next event as the exclusive sponsor for the event and fighters. Guess what, there won't be any other sponsors anywhere on the fighters. The UFC at least came up with a way to share some sponsorship money with the fighters when they made the switch. Just wish they add to that pot each year as the sponsorship money grew.

I guess some of the entrance stuff I get. But be creative and you can find a new entrance that is unique to yourself and allowed. Alex as an example of that.


P.S.: I think what your feeling is your fine with the fighters getting that money but not the org and heaven forbid if the org takes away the right and doesn't compensate the fighters for that. I can agree with later part of that. The world of MMA especially with the UFC is a massive business, yet fighters still treat it like it is 1998. Fighters need to realize this and come together to form an association/union at the UFC level. Because the business side is moving a 100 miles an hour and owners are moving at about 5mph in handing down the rewards to the fighters as revenue grows. This has happen in just about every single sport.

 

[leto1776]

Oh, if you're not including companies outside the US then I'm not sure what companies you're talking about. The only other major company in the US for MMA is PFL (ONE? Not based in US but certainly US is a major demographic for them). What do you mean by all the companies today are sterile then?

Bellator does have a corporate presentation, and looks like a corporate product. If you showed someone Bellator they would think it is the UFC.

It just seems odd to me to put it in the same breath as WEC and Strikeforce, those two were way more grass root in their booking, presentation, and promotional tactics. WEC, Strikeforce, Affiction were distinct, Bellator doesn't look all that different. PFL actually looks more distinct with its ridiculous UI stuff.

Bellator seems like an even more corporate product than the UFC is. There is hardly anything dynamic about Bellator (of the last 5 years). Plays everything very safe, predictable, doesn't have any aesthetics or theatrics to speak of either.


What about Bellator do you think looks not corporate? I just think it's a strange thing to say, because Bellator became sterile years ago.

Bellator offered nothing special, but to say it’s just as corporate as PFL simply isn’t true. PFL literally comes off as a product run by people who don’t understand fight sports. From the over saturation of meaningless stats nobody Asked for, to simply ignoring and and all feedback, PFL is a bunch of empty suits trying to force a product nobody wants onto an audience that just doesn’t care. The people who run it aren’t fight sports people, and it’s obvious with everything

 

[Deleted member 609094]

USA just needs to accept that there isn't room for competition.

UFC. Everything else is a feeder show.

 

[wwkirk]

Anybody have inside info on why the event was cancelled?